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Old November 19, 2008, 03:34 PM   #1
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Level 101 Fighting Scattergun

this is a link to Old Painless and a great 101 level introduction to fighting scatterguns, seems heavily influenced by Clint Smith but that's not a bad thing.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=789542

For those of you who don't know, Old Painless is the guy who does the Box-of-truth and Scattergun Bob Tips his hat to him

Scattergun Bob Says; Get Smart, Be Smart, Stay Smart and LIVE.

My best to you all, Good Luck & Be Safe
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Old November 19, 2008, 04:12 PM   #2
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Interesting lesson / thanks Bob.
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Old November 19, 2008, 04:15 PM   #3
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Thanks for the link. GREAT article. It sure does away with all of the Rambo fantasies that a lot of people have. Good, sound info is what enables you to survive an encounter.
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Old November 19, 2008, 05:51 PM   #4
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Hi,

I just want to point out that this is the tip of the iceberg concerning training on a fighting shotgun. There is much to learn , much to experiment with, and MUCH to disprove.

It is the beginning of GET SMART= know exactly what this weapon WILL and WILL NOT do. Know exactly how to make it GO when it STOPS. Know the fundamental tactics to defeat your enemy.

I my humble opinion there is a HUGE difference between hunting humans and hunting critters or the field sports. That is what this thread is all about.

Good Luck and Be Safe
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Old November 19, 2008, 07:42 PM   #5
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good tips and an interesting read.
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Old November 19, 2008, 08:23 PM   #6
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Great article - it should be mandatory for all of the mall ninjas on the forums, let alone the newbies
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Old November 19, 2008, 09:59 PM   #7
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Thanks, good stuff.
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Old November 20, 2008, 08:46 AM   #8
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Scattergun Bob

Thanks. Do you have anymore links to more advanced lessons? Or reading materials or videos that you would recommend? TOO much of what I see around me and on the different forums is from Rambo wannabes that don't have a clue to real life. That can get you hurt or killed real quick.

I'm already looking at the Box of Truth site.

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Old November 21, 2008, 02:13 PM   #9
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:Additional Information is what it is all about, yes!

My short list of things to read;

Basic fundamentals of fighting scatterguns

The Defensive Shotgun - Louis Awerbuck

Stress Fire II - Massad F. Ayoob

Shotguns - DVD - Clint Smith

Any or all of these will do

The Mental arts of defense and protection

Principles of Personal Defense - Jeff Cooper

More Tactical Reality - Louis Awerbuck

The Tactical Edge - Charles Remsberg

Understanding our weapon

Complete guide to combat shotguns - Bruce Canfield - NOTE, I am partial to this one because yours truly is in it!

Streetsweepers - Duncan Long

These are some places to start, frankly I am not much of a DVD guy, I know many of these references are on DVD I have no idea where you would look.


Finally, we have a great resource right here in our forum, that's our moderator Dave McC, and I bow to his knowledge and understanding of the subject. Very little that he says do I question.

I spent several years using the fighting shotgun in combat and a longer time as a armorer keeping them running. If I can help I will, if I don't know I will try to send you in the right direction.

Good Luck & Be Safe
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Old November 21, 2008, 02:46 PM   #10
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Outstanding detailed list.

Now I have 6 or 7 more good books I can buy. Thanks.

Bob:
I'm more of a book guy too ( I get it better, page by page ..)
DVD's do work well on target shotgunning - swing fundamentals, hold points, etc - DVD's like Todd Bender's Fundamentals of Skeet / Bobby Fowler Jr's DVD on sporting clays techniques - with the new "eye cam" on the barrel, you can actually see and feel the concept of hold point, leads, follow thru, etc. But I know that's not your primary interest Bob.
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Old November 21, 2008, 06:33 PM   #11
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Thanks, ScattergunBob, for the great links and references. A lot of profound info for the newbies and this ol' Skeeter.

BigJimP:
I'm still using Fred Missildine's Score Better at Skeet.
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Old November 21, 2008, 07:01 PM   #12
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That must be a Beta max tape or something - probably before my time
.... .. I haven't heard that name since I was a pup ....
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Old November 22, 2008, 04:28 AM   #13
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Thanks.
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Old February 4, 2009, 06:04 PM   #14
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Three other books of note on the subject.

Bill Clede's book, "Police Shotgun Manual," Stakepole Books, 1986. I believe it has been referred to as "The Shotgun according to Smith & Wesson" (Ayoob)

Jeff Cooper's "To Ride, Shoot Straight, and Speak the Truth" has the genesis of the Gunsite Shotgun Training and

Gabriel Suarez's book "The Tactical Shotgun" takes it a little further.
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