Level 101 Fighting Scattergun

Scattergun Bob · November 19, 2008, 04:34 PM

this is a link to Old Painless and a great 101 level introduction to fighting scatterguns, seems heavily influenced by Clint Smith but that's not a bad thing.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=789542

For those of you who don't know, Old Painless is the guy who does the Box-of-truth and Scattergun Bob Tips his hat to him

Scattergun Bob Says; Get Smart, Be Smart, Stay Smart and LIVE.

My best to you all, Good Luck & Be Safe

BigJimP · November 19, 2008, 05:12 PM

Interesting lesson / thanks Bob.

Blair · November 19, 2008, 05:15 PM

Thanks for the link. GREAT article. It sure does away with all of the Rambo fantasies that a lot of people have. Good, sound info is what enables you to survive an encounter.

Scattergun Bob · November 19, 2008, 06:51 PM

Hi,

I just want to point out that this is the tip of the iceberg concerning training on a fighting shotgun. There is much to learn , much to experiment with, and MUCH to disprove.

It is the beginning of GET SMART= know exactly what this weapon WILL and WILL NOT do. Know exactly how to make it GO when it STOPS. Know the fundamental tactics to defeat your enemy.

I my humble opinion there is a HUGE difference between hunting humans and hunting critters or the field sports. That is what this thread is all about.

Good Luck and Be Safe

alloy · November 19, 2008, 08:42 PM

good tips and an interesting read.

oneounceload · November 19, 2008, 09:23 PM

Great article - it should be mandatory for all of the mall ninjas on the forums, let alone the newbies

Dave McC · November 19, 2008, 10:59 PM

Thanks, good stuff.

Blair · November 20, 2008, 09:46 AM

Scattergun Bob

Thanks. Do you have anymore links to more advanced lessons? Or reading materials or videos that you would recommend? TOO much of what I see around me and on the different forums is from Rambo wannabes that don't have a clue to real life. That can get you hurt or killed real quick.

I'm already looking at the Box of Truth site.

Scattergun Bob · November 21, 2008, 03:13 PM

:Additional Information is what it is all about, yes!

My short list of things to read;

Basic fundamentals of fighting scatterguns

The Defensive Shotgun - Louis Awerbuck

Stress Fire II - Massad F. Ayoob

Shotguns - DVD - Clint Smith

Any or all of these will do

The Mental arts of defense and protection

Principles of Personal Defense - Jeff Cooper

More Tactical Reality - Louis Awerbuck

The Tactical Edge - Charles Remsberg

Understanding our weapon

Complete guide to combat shotguns - Bruce Canfield - NOTE, I am partial to this one because yours truly is in it!

Streetsweepers - Duncan Long

These are some places to start, frankly I am not much of a DVD guy, I know many of these references are on DVD I have no idea where you would look.

Finally, we have a great resource right here in our forum, that's our moderator Dave McC, and I bow to his knowledge and understanding of the subject. Very little that he says do I question.

I spent several years using the fighting shotgun in combat and a longer time as a armorer keeping them running. If I can help I will, if I don't know I will try to send you in the right direction.

Good Luck & Be Safe

BigJimP · November 21, 2008, 03:46 PM

Outstanding detailed list.

Now I have 6 or 7 more good books I can buy. Thanks.

Bob:
I'm more of a book guy too ( I get it better, page by page ..)
DVD's do work well on target shotgunning - swing fundamentals, hold points, etc - DVD's like Todd Bender's Fundamentals of Skeet / Bobby Fowler Jr's DVD on sporting clays techniques - with the new "eye cam" on the barrel, you can actually see and feel the concept of hold point, leads, follow thru, etc. But I know that's not your primary interest Bob.

zippy13 · November 21, 2008, 07:33 PM

Thanks, ScattergunBob, for the great links and references. A lot of profound info for the newbies and this ol' Skeeter.

BigJimP:
I'm still using Fred Missildine's Score Better at Skeet.

BigJimP · November 21, 2008, 08:01 PM

That must be a Beta max tape or something - probably before my time
.... ..

I haven't heard that name since I was a pup ....

Blair · November 22, 2008, 05:28 AM

Thanks.

T191032 · February 4, 2009, 07:04 PM

Bill Clede's book, "Police Shotgun Manual," Stakepole Books, 1986. I believe it has been referred to as "The Shotgun according to Smith & Wesson" (Ayoob)

Jeff Cooper's "To Ride, Shoot Straight, and Speak the Truth" has the genesis of the Gunsite Shotgun Training and

Gabriel Suarez's book "The Tactical Shotgun" takes it a little further.

November 19, 2008, 04:34 PM	#1
Scattergun Bob Senior Member Join Date: February 29, 2008 Location: Nine Mile Falls, Washington Posts: 1,185	Level 101 Fighting Scattergun this is a link to Old Painless and a great 101 level introduction to fighting scatterguns, seems heavily influenced by Clint Smith but that's not a bad thing. http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=789542 For those of you who don't know, Old Painless is the guy who does the Box-of-truth and Scattergun Bob Tips his hat to him Scattergun Bob Says; Get Smart, Be Smart, Stay Smart and LIVE. My best to you all, Good Luck & Be Safe __________________ First, with the most, WINS! Regards, Scattergun Bob Last edited by Scattergun Bob; November 19, 2008 at 04:48 PM.

November 19, 2008, 06:51 PM	#4
Scattergun Bob Senior Member Join Date: February 29, 2008 Location: Nine Mile Falls, Washington Posts: 1,185	Blair Hi, I just want to point out that this is the tip of the iceberg concerning training on a fighting shotgun. There is much to learn , much to experiment with, and MUCH to disprove. It is the beginning of GET SMART= know exactly what this weapon WILL and WILL NOT do. Know exactly how to make it GO when it STOPS. Know the fundamental tactics to defeat your enemy. I my humble opinion there is a HUGE difference between hunting humans and hunting critters or the field sports. That is what this thread is all about. Good Luck and Be Safe __________________ First, with the most, WINS! Regards, Scattergun Bob

November 20, 2008, 09:46 AM	#8
Blair Member Join Date: November 18, 2008 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 36	Scattergun Bob Thanks. Do you have anymore links to more advanced lessons? Or reading materials or videos that you would recommend? TOO much of what I see around me and on the different forums is from Rambo wannabes that don't have a clue to real life. That can get you hurt or killed real quick. I'm already looking at the Box of Truth site. Last edited by Blair; November 20, 2008 at 09:47 AM. Reason: addition

November 21, 2008, 03:13 PM	#9
Scattergun Bob Senior Member Join Date: February 29, 2008 Location: Nine Mile Falls, Washington Posts: 1,185	Blair :Additional Information is what it is all about, yes! My short list of things to read; Basic fundamentals of fighting scatterguns The Defensive Shotgun - Louis Awerbuck Stress Fire II - Massad F. Ayoob Shotguns - DVD - Clint Smith Any or all of these will do The Mental arts of defense and protection Principles of Personal Defense - Jeff Cooper More Tactical Reality - Louis Awerbuck The Tactical Edge - Charles Remsberg Understanding our weapon Complete guide to combat shotguns - Bruce Canfield - NOTE, I am partial to this one because yours truly is in it! Streetsweepers - Duncan Long These are some places to start, frankly I am not much of a DVD guy, I know many of these references are on DVD I have no idea where you would look. Finally, we have a great resource right here in our forum, that's our moderator Dave McC, and I bow to his knowledge and understanding of the subject. Very little that he says do I question. I spent several years using the fighting shotgun in combat and a longer time as a armorer keeping them running. If I can help I will, if I don't know I will try to send you in the right direction. Good Luck & Be Safe __________________ First, with the most, WINS! Regards, Scattergun Bob

February 4, 2009, 07:04 PM	#14
T191032 Member Join Date: January 22, 2008 Location: Shenandoah Valley of VA Posts: 87	Three other books of note on the subject. Bill Clede's book, "Police Shotgun Manual," Stakepole Books, 1986. I believe it has been referred to as "The Shotgun according to Smith & Wesson" (Ayoob) Jeff Cooper's "To Ride, Shoot Straight, and Speak the Truth" has the genesis of the Gunsite Shotgun Training and Gabriel Suarez's book "The Tactical Shotgun" takes it a little further.

November 19, 2008, 05:12 PM	#2
BigJimP Senior Member Join Date: February 23, 2005 Posts: 10,044	Interesting lesson / thanks Bob.

November 19, 2008, 05:15 PM	#3
Blair Member Join Date: November 18, 2008 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 36	Thanks for the link. GREAT article. It sure does away with all of the Rambo fantasies that a lot of people have. Good, sound info is what enables you to survive an encounter.

November 19, 2008, 09:23 PM	#6
oneounceload Junior member Join Date: April 18, 2008 Location: N. Central Florida Posts: 8,518	Great article - it should be mandatory for all of the mall ninjas on the forums, let alone the newbies

November 19, 2008, 10:59 PM	#7
Dave McC Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 14, 1999 Location: Columbia, Md, USA Posts: 8,831	Thanks, good stuff.

November 21, 2008, 03:46 PM	#10
BigJimP Senior Member Join Date: February 23, 2005 Posts: 10,044	Outstanding detailed list. Now I have 6 or 7 more good books I can buy. Thanks. Bob: I'm more of a book guy too ( I get it better, page by page ..) DVD's do work well on target shotgunning - swing fundamentals, hold points, etc - DVD's like Todd Bender's Fundamentals of Skeet / Bobby Fowler Jr's DVD on sporting clays techniques - with the new "eye cam" on the barrel, you can actually see and feel the concept of hold point, leads, follow thru, etc. But I know that's not your primary interest Bob.

November 21, 2008, 07:33 PM	#11
zippy13 Senior Member Join Date: August 23, 2008 Location: SoCal Posts: 6,289	Thanks, ScattergunBob, for the great links and references. A lot of profound info for the newbies and this ol' Skeeter. BigJimP: I'm still using Fred Missildine's Score Better at Skeet.

November 21, 2008, 08:01 PM	#12
BigJimP Senior Member Join Date: February 23, 2005 Posts: 10,044	That must be a Beta max tape or something - probably before my time .... .. I haven't heard that name since I was a pup ....

November 22, 2008, 05:28 AM	#13
Blair Member Join Date: November 18, 2008 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 36	Thanks.