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Old November 18, 2008, 11:49 PM   #1
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Which deer rifle for Indiana?

In Indiana we can use rifles for deer now if the cartridge calls into the certain specs. My dad would like one for next seasons hunt, but which hambering will I be able to shoot the flattest and have the most knockdown?

Rifles with pistol cartridges Rifles must fire a cartridge with a bullet of .357-inch diameter or larger; have a minimum case length of 1.16 inches; and have a maximum case length of 1.625 inches. These rifle cartridges can be used only during the deer firearms season. Some cartridges that are legal include the following:
.357 Magnum
.38-40 Winchester
.41 Magnum
.41 Special
.44 Magnum
.44 Special .
44-40 Winchester
.45 Colt
.454 Casull
.458 SOCOM
.480 Ruger
.475 Linebaugh
.50 Action Express
.500 S&W
Some illegal rifle cartridges for deer hunting are the
.30-30 Winchester
.444 Marlin
.45-70 Govt.

http://www.in.gov/dnr/files/fw-Deer_..._Equipment.pdf
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Old November 19, 2008, 12:17 AM   #2
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I know a guy that's taken 2 deer with a .44 Magnum, and he's real happy with it. As for me, even though rifles are legal, I still use my 12 ga with rifled barrel.
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Old November 19, 2008, 12:20 AM   #3
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my choices would be in this order:

1. 45 Colt
2. 44 MAG
3. 454 Casull
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Old November 19, 2008, 12:37 AM   #4
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I am also looking into the TC encore postols. We can use rifle rounds in a single shot pistol, but how is the recoil on a .243? I shot one chambered in .270 and it was absolutely miserable!
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Old November 19, 2008, 12:50 AM   #5
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What they seem to be saying is that if you use a rifle that uses a straight wall pistol cartridge then it has to fall under those outlined specifications.

In that case I would use a 44 magnum just fine

However if I were using a regular center fire rifle cartridge then the 7mm-08 would be my choice.
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Old November 19, 2008, 12:56 AM   #6
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They are saying if you want to use a rifle, you will not use a traditional centerfire rifle round. They used to allow only shotgun for deer.
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Old November 19, 2008, 01:01 AM   #7
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Yeah, it's been passed within the last couple years. My old man has been looking for the same kinda deal. He just hasn't broken down and purchased anything yet.

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Old November 19, 2008, 08:28 AM   #8
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Sorry mis-read the first post. Thought a 45-70 was legal for hunting.
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Old November 19, 2008, 10:59 AM   #9
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Handguns Handguns, other than muzzleloading, must have a barrel at least 4 inches long and must fire a bullet of .243-inch diameter or larger. The handgun cartridge case, without the bullet, must be at least 1.16 inches long. Full metal-jacketed bullets are not permitted. Handguns are not permitted on any military areas. Some types of handgun cartridges legal for deer hunting include: .357 Magnum .41 Magnum .44 Magnum .44 Special .45 Colt .45 Long Colt .45 Winchester Magnum .35 Remington .357 Herrett. Some illegal handgun cartridges for deer hunting are 38 Special, 38 Smith and Wesson, 38 Colt New Police, 38/200, 38 Long Colt, 38 Super, 38 ACP, 38 Colt Auto, 45 ACP, 45 Automatic and 45 Auto Rim. All 25/20, 32/20 and 30 carbine ammunition is prohibited also.

So a .243 would be legal in an encore, but how is the recoil?
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Old November 19, 2008, 11:15 AM   #10
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I started out with a 45LC in a very nice Uberti Golden Boy, but was not happy with the performance and expense of the round. The gun was great and fun to shoot. I then to the 44mag in a 1894 Marlin and will stay with it for now. Would be interested in the newer high performance rounds if they came in a good lever action rifle. I want something I would be able to afford to practice with a lot. Right now the 44mag fills that roll for me.
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Old November 19, 2008, 11:16 AM   #11
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Enough

I would go with the 44 Mag. for pistol and the Old faithful 30-30 cal. lever action for the rifle. Both of these are very adquadate and I would not feel under armed at all. These two calibers have killed millions of deer in the past and can do the same in the future if hunters just use them. Some Hunters feel more is better, I feel enough is enough.
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Old November 19, 2008, 11:28 AM   #12
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You can not use the 30-30 in Indiana. It has to be a pistol caliber.
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Old November 19, 2008, 12:59 PM   #13
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Yeah that is weird I was just reading those rules and they do not allow any centerfire rifles at all and only muzzle loaders shotguns pistols or archery.

They even say it is illegal to have a pistol that is modified to have a shoulder stock on it.
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Old November 19, 2008, 01:18 PM   #14
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I THINK I WOULD JUST FREAKING MOVE.

Find yourself a Lone Eagle by Magnum Reasearch. I have a Lone Eagle with a 15" barrel chambered in 7mm-08 REM. It is shorter than a 12" Contender or Encore and is more accurate than either of them. I own all three. The recoil isn’t bad but I reload and have never shot factory rifle ammunition out of it so I can’t say how that would be. I shoot 120gr Nosler BT and 120gr. Sierra Pro-Hunters. Accuracy is unbelievable and recoil is not bad at all. The stock design and weight of the pistol help tame it very well.

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Old November 19, 2008, 01:28 PM   #15
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pistol cal.

They are wanting to keep the distant the bullet travels to a minimum since it is so flat and the bullet can travel a long distance before hitting something solid (ie; person,house,livestock,etc...). At least thats how I see it.
Ohio has a similar law that only allows you to use shotguns, muzzleloaders,bows,or crossbows.
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Old November 19, 2008, 02:16 PM   #16
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Don't you just love all these idiotic Fudd laws?

I swear, if it wasn't for these DNR morons, bows and some of these guns wouldn't exist.
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Old November 19, 2008, 04:50 PM   #17
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I think that it's interesting to see people that bought one of these newly legal guns, just because it was legal for them to use them on deer now. Don't get me wrong, if a hunter is more efficient with (or simply prefers) one of these newly legal rigs and has the money to spend on the new weapon, then that hunter absolutely should get it. However, I have seen a lot of people get one of these rifles that fire a pistol cartridge, kill one deer, then go back to using 12 or 20 ga. just like old times. Seems wasteful to me, so I'd just like to say that if you're gonna invest in one of these rigs, make sure that you're gonna use it. Again as I previously stated, if you are more effective or prefer one of these rifles, then by all means get one, but I would suggest that you make sure that you do actually prefer these weapons before you invest.

If I were to get a rifle for deer, it would be just like the .44 Magnum I mentioned in my first post on this thread. I believe it is a single shot Handi rifle. Simple, inexpensive, and effective.
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Old November 19, 2008, 07:05 PM   #18
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get yourself a marlin 1894 cowboy colt 45 rifle, good solid gun...i sold mine to help get a marlin .45-70... i'm pretty sure it comes in several calibers though
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Old November 19, 2008, 08:03 PM   #19
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Quote:
Rifles with pistol cartridges Rifles must fire a cartridge with a bullet of .357-inch diameter or larger; have a minimum case length of 1.16 inches; and have a maximum case length of 1.625 inches. These rifle cartridges can be used only during the deer firearms season. Some cartridges that are legal include the following:
.357 Magnum
.38-40 Winchester
.41 Magnum
.41 Special
.44 Magnum
.44 Special .
44-40 Winchester
.45 Colt
.454 Casull
.458 SOCOM
.480 Ruger
.475 Linebaugh
.50 Action Express
.500 S&W
Some illegal rifle cartridges for deer hunting are the
.30-30 Winchester
.444 Marlin
.45-70 Govt.
My little custom pistol I built would not even qualify in that state when they say it has to be at least a 357 caliber.



It shoots a 7.7mmX58 Jap round which is a 31 caliber and shoots 125, 150 and 180-grain Sierra pro hunter bullets accurately.

In power it is between a 308 and 30-06 but they do not even allow those for hunting there either.

Actually is is not even a pistol at all and is just classified as a rifle with a pistol grip since it has a 18 1/2 inch barrel and is 30 1/2 inches long.

Makes me glad I live in Texas I guess as I can use it to hunt down here any time.
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Old November 19, 2008, 08:12 PM   #20
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I like your suggestion of the "Lone Eagle" SSP

OLD Sneaky here: I like J.C.s suggestion of the Lone Eagle pistol and while the 7-08 is an Excellent cartridge I've got an Ordanance Technology Canon Breach(prototype for the Lone Eagle) in .357 REM. MAXMUM (Super Magnum) which takes up to 180 gr .357 diameter projectiles, I've still got around 200 rds of 180gr left and some empty brass. I used it for a Russian Boar hunt in Texas a couple of years ago and it killed a couple very well. My optics is a Bushnell GEN-1 Holographic site with a Rising-Dot redicle. The GEN-1s have exchangable redicles. And I did buy that sling that Magnum Research used for their Lone Eagle. Since the Texas hunt I've been wanting to sell it BUT it seems that many folks don't have any idea what a Canon Breach pistol is. But that .357 Super Mag would be a very good hunting pistol in Indiana. It's still for sale. THANX--SNEAKY
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Old November 19, 2008, 08:38 PM   #21
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the strange thing is tests have been done that show shotgun slugs will richocet much farther than rifle bullets because they don't deform on impact with the ground near as much as rifle bullets do. most hunters don't shoot at angles that would be conducive to the longer range of the rifle being a risk. this info is apparently ignored by states that have restrictions.
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Old November 19, 2008, 09:08 PM   #22
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i got an encore in .500 s&w with an OTT custom 16.5" barrel. i'm pretty confident i can take a deer out to 200yds with it. the 44 mag handi rifles work well also and are pretty economical. you can also shoot .357 max which should work pretty well.
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Old November 19, 2008, 09:47 PM   #23
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I have heard them called Hand Cannons but one time a gunsmith I knew was building up a 30-06 on a single shot pistol action and he called it a WB.

I was confused because I was thinking of Warner Bros cartoons where some cartoon character pulls out a giant pistol and thought that was what he meant.

He informed me he meant Wrist Buster.

I wasn’t sure what he meant until I started shooting that 7.7mm and had a chance to shoot it about 20 times last weekend.

My wrist was sore for a whole week and I think I must have at the very least bruised some bones in there.

Next time I plan on taking a good padded glove I can put on my right hand before testing it out again.
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Old November 19, 2008, 10:05 PM   #24
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My 7-08 is nothing like that. They also make muzzle breaks for them. I have made shots on groundhogs out to 276 yards with that handgun. I just love it.

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Old November 20, 2008, 12:11 AM   #25
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That's what that is on the end of that barrel now but I just have not drilled the holes in the top of it yet.

It did help right off the bat with muzzle rise a little as it is a drilled smooth bored to a .362 caliber barrel compared to the .312 caliber barrel it is welded onto which gives it a little pressure reduction.

It still packed a whallop on my right hand after firing it 20-25 times which seemed to add up a little at a time to the point where when I shot that last shot I knew that was the last shot I was shooting out of it that day without any padding for my hand LOL

I mounted the red dot on it this last weekend but there was not enough time to test it out again yet besides just putting a laser bore sight on it and seeing it is lined up perfect.

It was punching out a 1 1/2 inch group at 100 yards the last time I tried it with the open sights and I swear my eyes just are not what they use to be because I cannot focus between that front and rear sight anymore.

The red dot looks like it will be much easier to aim and get a better group with but it looks like company for Thanksgiving this weekend and the next so I will not find out until the end of November I guess.

I have a 7mm-08 rifle and it is the most fantastic rifle I have ever had and I can just imagine how nice a pistol like that eagle would be in that caliber.
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