best loose powder??? - Page 2

arcticap · November 29, 2008, 04:34 AM

This shows how to make charcoal for black powder:

http://cid-ba8d17d301aebc5c.skydrive...20for%20BP.pdf

This shows how to make homemade black powder:

http://cid-ba8d17d301aebc5c.skydrive...lackPowder.pdf

On Monday, 11/24/08, I bought the last pound of American Pioneer Powder fffg at my local Cabela's for $13.66 plus tax, plus I saved an additional $2.70 by using a store discount coupon. That was cheapest price that I ever bought it for, even before using the coupon.
I was also surprised to see that the APP ffg cost $16+ dollars at Cabela's compared to the APP fffg. It's been selling for $18 - $20 at the gunshows around here.

darkgael · November 29, 2008, 06:52 AM

Checked the Making BP link. It IS informative. It is NOT black powder as it can be purchased commercially. It is commonly called Brown or Green powder. It will work but is not nearly as efficient as commercial BP.
The biggest difference comes in the way that the powder mix is combined and corned. There is a detailed description of the process at the beginning of one (can't remember which) of the BP load manuals. The process of milling is done with a ball mill over a lengthy period. This is followed by another lengthy period of combination or incorporation lasting many hours and involving considerable pressure, See this link: http://books.google.com/books?id=Ykc...result#PPA3,M1
Pte

shortwave · November 29, 2008, 07:28 AM

Went into Wally World the other day. Triple seven $28.57, Pyrodex $18.67. Thats crzy for both but I`m sure T7 doesn`t cost that much more to make than Pyrodex. The dreaded raping,greed of supply and demand

.Glad I have plenty. For all you newbies out there that have to pay this premium price cause you`re just starting out and don`t have any powder, make sure you go back to Wally World(or your supplier) after m/l season and stock up on same powder for $10-$12.

arcticap · November 29, 2008, 05:49 PM

Not too many Walmarts even carry BP guns & supplies around here anymore. Everyone just wishes they could always buy powder at Walmart's lowest clearance prices, but sometimes the prices only get reduced incrementally over a period of time and then everyone wants to stock up once the price bottoms out.
Well this Kansas outfit below sells Pyrodex for $12.20, 777 for $17.70 (listed under Hodgdon) and the new Blackhorn 209 for $25.98 (listed under Accurate Arms).
They also sell CCI percussion caps.
Cabela's sells Blackhorn 209 for over $36.

Hazemat fee is $20 per package but:

Quote:

WE CAN COMBINE UP TO 48 LBS. OF POWDER AND PRIMERS UNDER ONE HAZMAT TO SAVE YOU MONEY.

TOLL FREE - 800.227.4299
http://www.powdervalleyinc.com/index.html

long rider · November 29, 2008, 06:36 PM

I live in mesa in az, and i have not seen any wally world
that stock any muzzleloaders let alone powder, but then
again waltmart is the home of cheap goods.

karwelis · November 29, 2008, 10:00 PM

heres the link to my site where the pdf file is located on how to make black powder, and charcoal. i get the saltpeter and sulfer at the local CVS, and or riteaid

http://kabooom.proboards102.com/inde...=cowboyscorner

karwelis · November 29, 2008, 10:04 PM

hey arcticap, nice hijack of the pdf files that belong to cowboy cs. the proper link to them is in my above post

DKA · November 30, 2008, 08:10 AM

I use 777 FFFG, but friend of mine has been testing Black Horn 209. He says that it burns cleaner, but cost more, not much difference in performance.

darkgael · November 30, 2008, 09:46 AM

I'm impressed. That second pdf about homemade BP - using the ball mill - is much more thorough than the "green mix" pdf. He seems to know what he's doing - though the "big guys" mill the mix wet - and the end product, unglazed, looks pretty good to the eye.
I wonder how well (clean/dirty) it burns.
The procedures that I am familiar with are at: http://www.wfvisser.dds.nl/EN/bp_making_EN.html
Pete

shortwave · November 30, 2008, 09:49 AM

Thanks for Kansas connection Articap. For comparison sake on the W/World prices, went to local shooting range last night- T7, Shockey`s Gold and Goex @ $21+change, Pyrodex@$18+change. W/World cut way back on the stores carrying m/l and acces.`s here also but a few still do and its worth keeping an eye on.

November 29, 2008, 04:34 AM	#26
arcticap Senior Member Join Date: March 16, 2005 Location: Central Connecticut Posts: 2,961	This shows how to make charcoal for black powder: http://cid-ba8d17d301aebc5c.skydrive...20for%20BP.pdf This shows how to make homemade black powder: http://cid-ba8d17d301aebc5c.skydrive...lackPowder.pdf On Monday, 11/24/08, I bought the last pound of American Pioneer Powder fffg at my local Cabela's for $13.66 plus tax, plus I saved an additional $2.70 by using a store discount coupon. That was cheapest price that I ever bought it for, even before using the coupon. I was also surprised to see that the APP ffg cost $16+ dollars at Cabela's compared to the APP fffg. It's been selling for $18 - $20 at the gunshows around here. Last edited by arcticap; November 29, 2008 at 04:54 AM.

November 29, 2008, 06:52 AM	#27
darkgael Senior Member Join Date: February 9, 2006 Location: Homes in Brooklyn, NY and in Pennsylvania. Posts: 3,986	BP pdf Checked the Making BP link. It IS informative. It is NOT black powder as it can be purchased commercially. It is commonly called Brown or Green powder. It will work but is not nearly as efficient as commercial BP. The biggest difference comes in the way that the powder mix is combined and corned. There is a detailed description of the process at the beginning of one (can't remember which) of the BP load manuals. The process of milling is done with a ball mill over a lengthy period. This is followed by another lengthy period of combination or incorporation lasting many hours and involving considerable pressure, See this link: http://books.google.com/books?id=Ykc...result#PPA3,M1 Pte __________________ "Only hunting and mountain climbing are sports. The rest are just games." - R.Ruark NRA Life Member

November 29, 2008, 07:28 AM	#28
shortwave Senior Member Join Date: December 17, 2007 Location: SOUTHEAST, OHIO Posts: 5,009	Went into Wally World the other day. Triple seven $28.57, Pyrodex $18.67. Thats crzy for both but I`m sure T7 doesn`t cost that much more to make than Pyrodex. The dreaded raping,greed of supply and demand.Glad I have plenty. For all you newbies out there that have to pay this premium price cause you`re just starting out and don`t have any powder, make sure you go back to Wally World(or your supplier) after m/l season and stock up on same powder for $10-$12.

November 29, 2008, 06:36 PM	#30
long rider Senior Member Join Date: January 8, 2008 Posts: 669	I live in mesa in az, and i have not seen any wally world that stock any muzzleloaders let alone powder, but then again waltmart is the home of cheap goods. __________________ Sod Buster Tried To Pull On Willson.

November 30, 2008, 08:10 AM	#33
DKA Member Join Date: February 16, 2008 Location: Southeast, NC Posts: 61	I use 777 FFFG, but friend of mine has been testing Black Horn 209. He says that it burns cleaner, but cost more, not much difference in performance. __________________ Keep on doing what you are doing and you will keep on getting what you are getting.

November 29, 2008, 10:00 PM	#31
karwelis Junior Member Join Date: November 14, 2008 Location: big bear california Posts: 11	heres the link to my site where the pdf file is located on how to make black powder, and charcoal. i get the saltpeter and sulfer at the local CVS, and or riteaid http://kabooom.proboards102.com/inde...=cowboyscorner

November 29, 2008, 10:04 PM	#32
karwelis Junior Member Join Date: November 14, 2008 Location: big bear california Posts: 11	hey arcticap, nice hijack of the pdf files that belong to cowboy cs. the proper link to them is in my above post

November 30, 2008, 09:46 AM	#34
darkgael Senior Member Join Date: February 9, 2006 Location: Homes in Brooklyn, NY and in Pennsylvania. Posts: 3,986	BP I'm impressed. That second pdf about homemade BP - using the ball mill - is much more thorough than the "green mix" pdf. He seems to know what he's doing - though the "big guys" mill the mix wet - and the end product, unglazed, looks pretty good to the eye. I wonder how well (clean/dirty) it burns. The procedures that I am familiar with are at: http://www.wfvisser.dds.nl/EN/bp_making_EN.html Pete __________________ "Only hunting and mountain climbing are sports. The rest are just games." - R.Ruark NRA Life Member

November 30, 2008, 09:49 AM	#35
shortwave Senior Member Join Date: December 17, 2007 Location: SOUTHEAST, OHIO Posts: 5,009	Thanks for Kansas connection Articap. For comparison sake on the W/World prices, went to local shooting range last night- T7, Shockey`s Gold and Goex @ $21+change, Pyrodex@$18+change. W/World cut way back on the stores carrying m/l and acces.`s here also but a few still do and its worth keeping an eye on.