I need help to identify

Luckyfind · November 15, 2008, 05:57 PM

I have a "knife-revolver" it has brevete S.G.D.G. on the blade ,there are no markings on the revolver.The revolver is 14 cm long, fires 6 bullets, possibly baker light outer casing and has wooden tipped bullets. Here are some pictures that may help 16112008(001).jpg

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**James K** · November 15, 2008, 06:06 PM

I can tell you it is French (Brevete SGDG means "Patented - without guarantee by the government"). What you describe does not sound like a real firearm, and the wood bullet ammunition sounds like blanks. Could you post any other markings and a picture if possible.

Jim

**Mike Irwin** · November 17, 2008, 02:00 AM

Can you post a picture of the cartridges?

Also, check your camera's user manual to see if it has a macro feature. This will allow you to take pictures that are close up but that are still nice and clear.

Bill DeShivs · November 17, 2008, 03:09 AM

Terrible pictures! The handle is not Bakelight. It's probably buffalo or cow horn. Better pictures would help a lot. Why do you think it fires wooden bullets? It is a pinfire revolver.

SDC · November 17, 2008, 07:20 AM

Definitely a French pinfire revolver, and dating from sometime around the Civil War (afterwards, pinfires were abandoned in favour of percussion-cap systems). Winant's "Firearms Curiousa" shows a Belgian pinfire knife-pistol that looks fairly close to yours:

tomgun · November 17, 2008, 07:33 AM

A Belgian six-shot pinfire knife pistol, 6cm sighted octagonal barrel stamped EPROUVE, two-piece horn grips forming a pistol butt, 9.5cm blade stamped BREVETE SGDG and with the initials SB within a cartouche, folding trigger, and contained in an associated velvet lined box, together with a pair of epaulettes, a piece of chain and a clasp. "Gate" lacking from pistol and knife tip rounded
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**James K** · November 17, 2008, 01:44 PM

They made those revolvers in both Belgium and France. The former will have Belgian proof marks but AFAIK only the French ones will have the SGDG marking as it was required by French law. (I don't know why they felt the need to say that patenting something did not mean it was guaranteed by the government, but I assume French lawmakers are no more rational than ours.)

Jim

November 15, 2008, 05:57 PM	#1
Luckyfind Junior Member Join Date: November 15, 2008 Posts: 1	I need help to identify I have a "knife-revolver" it has brevete S.G.D.G. on the blade ,there are no markings on the revolver.The revolver is 14 cm long, fires 6 bullets, possibly baker light outer casing and has wooden tipped bullets. Here are some pictures that may help 16112008(001).jpg 16112008(002).jpg 16112008(003).jpg Last edited by Luckyfind; November 16, 2008 at 04:56 PM.

November 15, 2008, 06:06 PM	#2
James K Staff Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 16,611	I can tell you it is French (Brevete SGDG means "Patented - without guarantee by the government"). What you describe does not sound like a real firearm, and the wood bullet ammunition sounds like blanks. Could you post any other markings and a picture if possible. Jim __________________ Jim K

November 17, 2008, 02:00 AM	#3
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 14, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 33,293	Can you post a picture of the cartridges? Also, check your camera's user manual to see if it has a macro feature. This will allow you to take pictures that are close up but that are still nice and clear. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

November 17, 2008, 03:09 AM	#4
Bill DeShivs Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2006 Posts: 6,480	Terrible pictures! The handle is not Bakelight. It's probably buffalo or cow horn. Better pictures would help a lot. Why do you think it fires wooden bullets? It is a pinfire revolver. __________________ Bill DeShivs www.billdeshivs.com

November 17, 2008, 07:20 AM	#5
SDC Senior Member Join Date: January 23, 2001 Location: People's Republic of Kanada Posts: 1,577	Definitely a French pinfire revolver, and dating from sometime around the Civil War (afterwards, pinfires were abandoned in favour of percussion-cap systems). Winant's "Firearms Curiousa" shows a Belgian pinfire knife-pistol that looks fairly close to yours: __________________ Gun control in Canada: making the streets safer for rapists, muggers, and other violent criminals since 1936.

November 17, 2008, 07:33 AM	#6
tomgun Senior Member Join Date: September 19, 2008 Location: penna,no wait state Posts: 187	knife pistol A Belgian six-shot pinfire knife pistol, 6cm sighted octagonal barrel stamped EPROUVE, two-piece horn grips forming a pistol butt, 9.5cm blade stamped BREVETE SGDG and with the initials SB within a cartouche, folding trigger, and contained in an associated velvet lined box, together with a pair of epaulettes, a piece of chain and a clasp. "Gate" lacking from pistol and knife tip rounded http://www.artfact.com/auction-lot/a...1-c-r8vspls5vk

November 17, 2008, 01:44 PM	#7
James K Staff Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 16,611	They made those revolvers in both Belgium and France. The former will have Belgian proof marks but AFAIK only the French ones will have the SGDG marking as it was required by French law. (I don't know why they felt the need to say that patenting something did not mean it was guaranteed by the government, but I assume French lawmakers are no more rational than ours.) Jim __________________ Jim K