The Firing Line Forums

Go Back   The Firing Line Forums > Hogan's Alley > Handguns: The Semi-automatic Forum

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old November 9, 2008, 09:01 PM   #1
ffffg
Member
 
Join Date: October 4, 2008
Posts: 45
how to hold 1911 properly

I was shooting a new to me m1911a 80 series .45 today, and all seemed ok except my grip with two hands shooting off a pad was giving me different impacts or so it seems............ I was using winchester 230 grain red lettering on white box ammo. groups were about 4 1/2 inches at 25 yards and it seems it would shoot better if i got a better grip with it.. What is a good standard reload for these guns with good defence power that shoots well?. ... I would like to use non holow point bullets or simular to ball ammo.. It had no malfunctions so im good there.. Im used to .45 long colt and they dont give me this much accuracy problems.,, and seem to shoot better than this .45 auto..but i know how to hold them... ... thanks dave..
ffffg is offline  
Old November 9, 2008, 09:04 PM   #2
zoomie
Senior Member
 
Join Date: January 23, 2006
Location: WY
Posts: 1,745
http://s89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...pexcerpts1.flv

Like that.
zoomie is offline  
Old November 10, 2008, 01:40 AM   #3
Majic
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 24, 2004
Posts: 3,888
Quote:
Like that.
Unless you use a Weaver stance.
Question to the OP. When shooting off the rest do you place the gun or hands on the rest or rest the wrists/arms? If your 1911 is not a tight accurized pistol then a 4.5 inch group at 25 yards isn't all that bad. You may be asking more of the pistol than it can deliver.
Majic is offline  
Old November 10, 2008, 07:19 PM   #4
CzCasull
Senior Member
 
Join Date: August 17, 2008
Posts: 414
I've seen many opinions on how to hold a pistol, weather it's a 1911 or a Glock.

In my opinion it's best to of course follow rules- such as where to hold the firearm.. but also best to hold it in a way that fits you the shooter.
The man in the video says not to squeeze the grip tight. . but I find that if I squeeze it real good I can shoot more accurately and keep the recoil controlled much better.

Practice to me is also a big deal in finding the best grip naturally.
CzCasull is offline  
Old November 10, 2008, 07:29 PM   #5
Ruthless4christ
Senior Member
 
Join Date: June 24, 2007
Location: CNY
Posts: 790
GREAT VIDEO zoomie, i kept waiting for the man to say something i did not agree with but then the video stopped. sure wish i had that man around when i started shooting semi autos, would have kept me from wasting a heck of alot of ammo.
Ruthless4christ is offline  
Old November 10, 2008, 07:34 PM   #6
Tom2
Senior Member
 
Join Date: June 23, 2004
Location: Ohio
Posts: 5,648
Try a 230 grain bullet and a nominal manual listed load of something like Bulleseye, Red Dot, Unique, Winchester ball like 231, etc. that is noted in the manual to duplicate factory MV or so. Loading it less than 750 fps or so would be a waste, as well as trying to hot rod it over 900. If you have a smooth barrel that does not attract leading buildup, one of the 230 weight LRN bullets could be a little cheaper to shoot. It might not shoot as good as your revolvers unless you have things tightened up a little for accuracy work, like match barrel and NM bushing hand fit by a gunsmith, not drop ins. Tightening the slide or other refinements beyond a decent combat trigger pull are getting into more expensive territory and not worth it unless you are gonna build an all out match gun or something. Or if your factory barrel is decent quality, just tightening up the fit and the NM bushing might help some.
__________________
Your gun is like your nose, it is just wrong for someone else to pick it for you!
Tom2 is offline  
Old November 10, 2008, 07:44 PM   #7
HorseSoldier
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 27, 2006
Location: OCONUS 61°13′06″N 149°53′57″W
Posts: 2,282
Quote:
Unless you use a Weaver stance.
I've been told the Weaver grip has some things to recommend it for revolver use, but does anyone still teach or advocate it for semi-auto use? Both at my last military unit, and at any of the civilian shooting classes I've attended, it would have been considered bad technique by the trainers.
HorseSoldier is offline  
Old November 10, 2008, 09:21 PM   #8
Majic
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 24, 2004
Posts: 3,888
There is no bad stance. If you are comfortable with it then it can work for you. Also no stance is specific to a certain type of handgun. What works for you using a revolver also works using a semi-auto. Those teaching the isoceles stance use that stance, but the weaver stance is a viable alternative if you are comfortable with it. I think the weaver allows you to handle recoil better which may be why it's recommended for revolvers. Try both and see what works for you the best. Instructors generally frown on you doing something different from them but that doesn't make it wrong. Back when I was shooting a lot an instructor was touting the virtues of the isoceles stance to me even though I outshoot him using the weaver stance.
Majic is offline  
Old November 10, 2008, 09:35 PM   #9
KyJim
Senior Member
 
Join Date: July 26, 2005
Location: The Bluegrass
Posts: 7,541
To expand on the video Zoomie linked to, also take a look at a great video from champion shooter Todd Jarrett at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysa50-plo48.

I have to modify this grip a bit because my hands are small and getting my thumb over the safety just doesn't work for me. I normally place the thumb of my strong hand just under the safety with plenty of room to put the weak hand and thumb in place.

I used a modified Weaver stance for a long time. It has some advantages over and above shooting -- like presenting a smaller profile to the bad guy. However, I eventually went back to the isosceles stance with the grip described above because I shoot better with it.
__________________
Jim's Rules of Carry: 1. Any gun is better than no gun. 2. A gun that is reliable is better than a gun that is not. 3. A hole in the right place is better than a hole in the wrong place. 4. A bigger hole is a better hole.
KyJim is offline  
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:10 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
This site and contents, including all posts, Copyright © 1998-2014 S.W.A.T. Magazine
Copyright Complaints: Please direct DMCA Takedown Notices to the registered agent: thefiringline.com
Contact Us
Page generated in 0.08933 seconds with 7 queries