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Old October 14, 2008, 11:16 PM   #1
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35 Rem. or 30-30?

Okay guys I am sure this is not a new question but which do you prefer?Do you like the heavier larger bullet of the 35 Rem. or does the availibility of the 30-30 outweigh those advantages to you?Thanks to all who share their ideas and have a great day.
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Old October 14, 2008, 11:32 PM   #2
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I'll take the .35 Remington any day, the availability of ammo is a non-issue up here basically everybody sells it. The .35 Rem hits with authority.
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Old October 14, 2008, 11:44 PM   #3
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Its close to a tossup as far as availability, deer die just the same with both, but the .35 does tend to leave better blood trails, and it comes in some pretty cool guns, like 141 pumps and model 81 automatics. so it has my choice.
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Old October 15, 2008, 04:22 AM   #4
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.35 remington, have 3 marlins chambered in it and a 141 too. saw a 760 used on a rack at a shop in glassboro nj. looked really nice. but only had 1 mag. with it.
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Old October 15, 2008, 04:54 AM   #5
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.35 Rem for me!
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Old October 15, 2008, 05:36 AM   #6
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I prefer the .35 Remington over the .30-30 Winchester also.

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and it comes in some pretty cool guns, like 141 pumps and model 81 automatics.
They are nice, I have the 141 in .35. I've also had the 141 in .30 Rem, which is the rimless equivalent to the .30-30 and I prefer the .35.
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Old October 15, 2008, 08:13 AM   #7
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+1 .35 Remington

both are good
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Old October 15, 2008, 09:33 AM   #8
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Those two have been around forever! I've had the best mod-70 pre 64 money can buy and I say go 308 or 30-06.

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Old October 15, 2008, 07:01 PM   #9
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I hadn't known that the Model 70 came with either the .30-30 or the Rem .35.

Just to be contrarian I'll pick the .30-30 out of a Model 94 or similar.
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Old October 15, 2008, 07:33 PM   #10
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+1 .35 Rem.

I own both. The .30-30 is in the box, while the .35 is in the tree with me.
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Old October 15, 2008, 08:00 PM   #11
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35 Rem.

I have a 336 handed down from grandpa to dad then me. Williams peep sights and the gun was made in the 50's I think. I love this gun and think the bigger slug hits harder than the 30 30. I reload the 125gr. pistol bullets for fun and varmits. I would take the 35 as well.
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Old October 15, 2008, 08:06 PM   #12
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Think of the 35 Rem as a 357 Magnum Magnum. The diameter is the same - just a heck of a lot more power.

I am new to hunting and have taken 4 deer, all with the 35 Rem at 100 yards, 120 yards, 155 yards and 160 yards. Three dropped (all CNS shots) and the other ran maybe 40 yards with a double lung shot.
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Old October 16, 2008, 02:53 AM   #13
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Okay guys I am sure this is not a new question but which do you prefer?Do you like the heavier larger bullet of the 35 Rem. or does the availibility of the 30-30 outweigh those advantages to you?Thanks to all who share their ideas and have a great day.
Thus far, the .35 Remington seems to be the overwhelming favorite. Curious about ammo variety, I just took a quick look at MidwayUSA's site. For the .30-30 Win they listed 29 different options, but for the .35 Rem there were only 6.
Price is another consideration, MidwayUSA lists:
.30-30 Winchester Remington Express Ammunition 150 Grain Core-Lokt Soft Point, $14.99/box of 20.
.35 Remington Remington Express Ammunition 150 Grain Core-Lokt Soft Point, $23.99/box of 20.
Please, feel free to draw your own conclusions.
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Old October 16, 2008, 04:17 AM   #14
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Those two have been around forever! I've had the best mod-70 pre 64 money can buy and I say go 308 or 30-06.
I'm not sure exactly what owning a pre 64 Model 70 has to do with it, but he has a point.

Anything the .30-30 or .35 Rem can do, the .308 and .358 Win can do better. They all four make nice lever action rifle cartridges, but I'd rather have a BLR in .358 or .308 than ann old Marlin, Winchester or Remington in .35 or .30-30.



.358 Win, .35 Rem, .308 and the .30-30.

The .30-30 launches a 150 grain bullet at around 2,100 fps, the .308 launches the 150 grain at around 2,800 fps and its the much better shaped spitzer bullet as well, which can be fired in autos and the box magazine fed BLR(Browning Lever Action Rifle).

The .35 Rem fires a 200 grain bullet at around 2,000 fps the .358 Win at about 2,500 fps.

While fine old cartridges the .30-30 and .35 are greatly outclassed by the .308 and .358 Win, both of which can be fired in roughly the same size rifles without too much added recoil.
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Old October 16, 2008, 06:27 AM   #15
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Clarity

I posted this to get some insight on why the 30-30 is much more popular than the 35 Rem.In my home town wallyworld they offer 6 or 7 different loads for the 30-30,but not a single load of any kind for the 35 Rem.Why so ?It seems that everyone I talk to Prefers the 35 Rem. as well.So I am left with the ideas that it must be cost and availability.I would not think that production costs of the two would be that much different but ammo prices are.
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Old October 16, 2008, 09:11 AM   #16
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Because 30-30 is enough for deer

35 Rem may make a slightly bigger hole, but if you shoot the same deer in the same spot with the 30-30 it'll still do the job and won't hurt as much. (esp. for practice)
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Old October 16, 2008, 10:35 AM   #17
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I have never shoot .35 Remington, but have a shoot a LOT of .30-30. The Deer is just as dead, with the right shot, with the old .30-30.
Ammo cost is one reason to go with the .30-30, cheaper means more practice, and with some of the newer rounds like Leverevolution extend the range out past 200 yrds.
I am in a minority here, but go with the .30-30 over the .35 Rem.
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Old October 16, 2008, 10:55 AM   #18
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Had both the Win 94 in .30-30 and the Marlin 336 in .35 Rem wound up selling both, the only one I regret selling is the .30-30. I can tell you the recoil in the Win with 170 grain bullets was worse than the .35 Rem with 200 grain bullets. I blame it on the stock design totally and the fact that my Marlin came with a recoil pad and the Win had was a plastic butt plate. I like the old Winchesters better than the Marlins purely from a looks point of view but the Marlin is the better rifle if you want to mount optics.

All my lever duties now go to a .358 Win in a Savage 99 with rotary magazine, cartridge counter, and an old El Paso Weaver K4 scope. Recoil isn’t too bad either with 180 and 200 grain bullets and I’m not limited to round nose or flat point bullets. I just need to find the sweet spot with my hand loads to get down to at least 1.5” groups for three shots and I’ll be hunting deer and elk with this rifle.

The .35 Rem has a big following with the single shot pistol crowd, and I just recently got to fire a .30-30 AI in a G2 Contender. Needless to say I think both would be impressive as a deer cartridge in a pistol or single shot rifle. My friend used his .30-30 AI Contneder to take a pronghorn at 250 yards using a Nosler 125 grain ballistic tip at 2500 fps.
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Old October 16, 2008, 11:04 AM   #19
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Just get a .45-70 and be done with it.
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Old October 16, 2008, 11:43 AM   #20
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It seems that everyone I talk to Prefers the 35 Rem. as well. So I am left with the ideas that it must be cost and availability. I would not think that production costs of the two would be that much different but ammo prices are.
Remember you're initial question was, between the .30-30 WIn and the .35 Rem, "which do you prefer." The considerations being cost and bullet weight. To this audience, performance seems to be more important than cost. (I wonder how many .35 Rem shooters are hand loaders) But, to the general public, it almost always comes down to cost.

Timing is another consideration. The rimmed .30-30 was introduced, by Winchester, for the immensely popular (7,500,000+) Model 94 lever action in early 1895. The rimless .35 Remington was originally chambered for their less popular (80,000+), and more expensive Model 8 autoloader (another Browning design) in 1908. To quote an old expression, Winchester got there firstest with the mostest. Since the demand for .30-30 Win ammo is most likely hundreds of times that of the .35 Rem, the laws of supply and demand tell us the .35 Rem will cost more.

Today America thinks of the .30-30 Winchester M-94 as the quintessential cowboy/western lever action rifle/carbine. We think of the .35 Remington Model 8 as... humm... well, we don't really think much about the Model 8. It's not really fair to compare the two since they were of different centuries and aimed at different markets. The hunter who bought a M-94 in 1910, may have longer for the costlier Model 8.
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Old October 16, 2008, 01:31 PM   #21
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.35 Remington or 30-30?

The .35 Remington with a 200 grain bullet has more muzzle energy at 100 yards than a 170 grain 30-30 does as it comes out of the barrel.
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Old October 16, 2008, 03:24 PM   #22
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Well...

I can't contribute anythying meanigful about this, but here it goes anyway. I just purchased a used 336 in .35 remington. I have yet to even shoot it. I weighed the difference between the two calibers and my biggest selling point was simply that this was a good price for a used 336. Either caliber will do the job just fine.

Someone above mentioned how cheaper ammo means you'll practice more and be a better shot. Although I follow this logic with handguns, I'm not sure how using a scoped rifle (or even with a peep) is going to improve drastically with practice. How many people really shoot their rifles a lot? I know some do, but many people shoot it at the beginning of the season to make sure it's still working and accurate, then that's it unless they are shooting at a deer. So, cost of ammo isn't a huge deal since a box will probably take you through the season.

My apologies to those people that do honestly shoot a lot. just my observation.

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Old October 16, 2008, 04:13 PM   #23
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MADISON check your data!

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The .35 Remington with a 200 grain bullet has more muzzle energy at 100 yards than a 170 grain 30-30 does as it comes out of the barrel.
Everywhere I check the .30-30 has roughly 100 pounds more energy at 100 yards than the .35 Rem with 170 and 200 grain bullet respectively. I checked Remington, Federal, and Winchester. The only time I found your statement to almost be true was comparing Hornady Leverevolution ammuniton to "standard" 170 grain flat point ammunition. The 200 grain .35 Rem vs 160 grain .30-30 in the Leverevolution ammuntion the .35 Rem only wins out in the energy department by 100 ft-lbs of energy from the muzzle to 100 yards, at 200 the .35 has only 11 more ft-lbs, and at 300 the .30-30 wins by 24 ft-lbs.

BD you make some valid points and price is as good as any reason to choose rifles of similar performance. About the practice more and be a better shot, I kind of disagree with you a little bit. I don't own any pistols anymore so I do practice with my rifles when I go to the range. Granted I shoot my .223's and .243 the most, and I follow your philosphy of sighting in before season and hunting with my heavier recoiling rifles. Unless I'm doing load development I don't shoot my rifles .270 on up much.
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Old October 16, 2008, 06:28 PM   #24
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My first five deer were taken with a Marlin Texan 30/30 carbine with a 2.5 power scope. Happly I have a 18.5 inch Texan now with a Wild West peep sight.

The .35 Remington is a fine round. So is the 30/30. Since I have a 30/30, I don't need a .35 (and vice versa if I owned a .35 Remington.)

Foot pounds of energy are, well, amusing. Hit the deer right with either round and they will go to your freezer. Hit the deer wrong and you are in for some long walking.
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Old October 16, 2008, 07:09 PM   #25
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I'll take the .35 Remington any day, the availability of ammo is a non-issue up here basically everybody sells it. The .35 Rem hits with authority.
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