The Firing Line Forums

Go Back   The Firing Line Forums > The Conference Center > General Discussion Forum

Thread Tools
Old August 25, 2008, 09:18 PM   #1
Senior Member
Join Date: December 22, 2007
Location: Florida
Posts: 1,222
Opinion on Chuck Hawks?

Have been reading a number of articles on gun calibers by the renowned Chuck Hawks. Was wondering what other people have to say or think about his writings, etc. He does seem to write from experience and seems to be familiar with every single caliber ever mfg? Do most folks take his opinion as gospel? How can someone know that much about every single caliber of gun? Seems you would have to spend your life on the range and in the woods to know all of this information. Just wondering is all............
skydiver3346 is offline  
Old August 25, 2008, 09:32 PM   #2
Senior Member
Join Date: January 25, 2008
Posts: 3,004
i usually check his site when looking something up, but dont take it as gospel. i look at reviews , ask on TFL, ask my firends if they own a one, ect.

Chuck hawks does have a staff working for him though, they probably do a lot of the work
Check us out: Fun site for people who love gun movies.
SPUSCG is offline  
Old August 25, 2008, 09:45 PM   #3
Senior Member
Join Date: May 24, 2004
Posts: 3,888
Some of his stuff I have found to be taken from someone else's work. In one instance I believe it was word for word.
Majic is offline  
Old August 25, 2008, 09:45 PM   #4
Senior Member
Join Date: February 7, 2006
Location: 46.199ºN 122.188ºW by way of
Posts: 2,237
I have found most of his articles to be helpfull and accurate.
jhgreasemonkey is offline  
Old August 25, 2008, 09:56 PM   #5
Senior Member
Join Date: January 25, 2008
Posts: 3,004
half of wikipedias info comes from chuck hawks it kinda makes me laugh to see that when researching a caliber i never heard of
Check us out: Fun site for people who love gun movies.
SPUSCG is offline  
Old August 25, 2008, 11:22 PM   #6
Junior member
Join Date: November 28, 2001
Location: West Tennessee
Posts: 4,300
He's a legend in his own mind. If he was 'that' good, somebody would be paying him to do what he does.
CraigC is offline  
Old August 26, 2008, 12:26 AM   #7
Senior Member
Join Date: April 30, 2008
Posts: 215
Chuck Hawks has a well-organized site with lots of good info., but I disagree with some of his opinions... For example, he advocates the military replacing the .223 with the .243<not an illogical idea but kinda impractical> and he's kinda negative about Smith & Wesson revolvers<I like'em more than Hawkes does> and he doesn't like compact bolt action rifles like the Ruger compacts - says their unnatural... but I like'em and just don't see the problem. He seems to like Weatherby rifles. I also like Weatherby, but just not so much as Hawkes likes'em... Everyone has an opinion.
.300H&H is offline  
Old August 26, 2008, 09:35 AM   #8
Senior Member
Join Date: January 25, 2008
Posts: 3,004
hawks also thinks the mauser 98 is gods personal gift to man and believes in its superiority over all other rifles.....
Check us out: Fun site for people who love gun movies.
SPUSCG is offline  
Old August 26, 2008, 02:11 PM   #9
Senior Member
Join Date: August 25, 2008
Posts: 257
I find that i agree with chuck more than any current write at guns and ammo.
does that say much of chuck or little of G&A, you decide.
His personal favorite rifle is a ruger 77 MKII RSI with NEGC peep. I have the exact same (M77, not MKII) rifle set up the same way and its 2nd on my list of all time favorites. so i give him that.
At least if you dont agree with him you will agree that he is less influenced while writing his articles by the company who he is writing about.
Any doubts? read the scathing article on the T3 Lite.
ringworm is offline  
Old August 27, 2008, 01:04 PM   #10
Senior Member
Join Date: December 6, 1999
Location: Richmond, Virginia USA
Posts: 6,004
I like his naval and military history articles, too.

johnbt is offline  
Old August 27, 2008, 02:03 PM   #11
Senior Member
Join Date: December 22, 2007
Location: Florida
Posts: 1,222
Chuck Hawks info:

Thanks guys, appreciate your opinions and insight.
skydiver3346 is offline  
Old August 28, 2008, 11:24 AM   #12
Senior Member
Join Date: June 1, 2006
Location: Fairmont, WV
Posts: 1,658
Most of his information about cartridges he pulls from “Cartridges of the World” word for word.
pesta2 is offline  
Old September 1, 2008, 05:03 AM   #13
Senior Member
Join Date: September 6, 2007
Posts: 1,193
Chuck Hawks site is just another source for information. Nothing more. Matter of fact all sites, including this one, fit into that category. It doesn't bother me that he takes information from other sources. Thats a common practice. I take what I can from what he offers and move on.
TheNatureBoy is offline  
Old September 1, 2008, 09:30 AM   #14
Senior Member
Join Date: May 18, 1999
Location: Hemet (middle of nowhere) California
Posts: 4,260
I subscribe to his site and find much of the information to be very useful - including the stuff on the free site. But not everything should be taken too seriously. For one much of it has gotten outdated. Other articles need to be taken with a few pounds of salt due to his personal prejudices (hates compact rifles etc) and facts and function are just ignored. The biggest weakness is the incredibly primitive forum design. The big plus is he answers his own email. All in all I'd give it a B+.
Proud Life Member: National Rifle Association, California Rifle & Pistol Association, and the Second Amendment Foundation.
Annual Member: Revolutionary War Veterans Association (Project Appleseed) and the Madison Society.
sholling is offline  
Old September 1, 2008, 02:25 PM   #15
Senior Member
Join Date: August 25, 2008
Posts: 257
(hates compact rifles etc)

are we talking about the same guy?
Chucks grab and go rifle is a RSI ruger bolt gun and he speaks more highly of steyr carbines than any other rifle i know of.

Favorite Deer Rifles

By Chuck Hawks

I have been fortunate to own and hunt with a large number of deer rifles during my 40+ years of deer hunting. Most were entirely satisfactory, some had flaws that made me glad to change to something else, and a few stick out in my mind as particularly appropriate for the purpose.

This article is about the latter, listed in alphabetical order with a paragraph or two about each. All are factory produced rifles available on the new or used markets. I have resisted the temptation to include custom built rifles not available to the public. Most of these models are also included in the article "Deer Rifles in the Field" (see the Rifle Information Page), and they received good grades there, too.

You will notice that accuracy is not even mentioned below, as all of my favorite rifles are plenty accurate enough for deer hunting. Hair splitting accuracy from a bench rest is inconsequential in a deer rifle. Far more important is practical accuracy in the field. That is, how a rifle performs when the requirement is a fairly quick shot from a field position. All of the rifles below pass that crucial test with flying colors.

My home state of Oregon is populated by Columbian blacktail deer, a forest dwelling species, and mule deer. There are even a few whitetail deer in Oregon. So I have favorite deer rifles in calibers suitable for hunting in the woods and in more open country. Actually, most deer rifles can do both.

Browning Model 1885 Low Wall

Illustration courtesy of U.S. Repeating Arms Co.
This is the modern version of John Browning's first successful centerfire rifle design. Marketed under the Browning brand for years, it is now sold under the Winchester brand.

Whatever the name on the barrel, the single shot Low Wall is one of the finest falling block single shot rifles ever designed. Its action incorporates a self-cocking, rebounding, external hammer. It is hard to conceive of a safer action for a hunting rifle than a Low Wall. The highly polished blue finish on the barreled action and glossy finish on the checkered walnut stock are executed to Browning's usual high standards. The 24", light contour, octagon barrel extracts full performance from modern cartridges.

Because the Low Wall is a lightweight version of the larger High Wall 1885 action it is easier to carry in the field. Even with the supplied 24" barrel, this rifle is only 41" in overall length, or about the same as a bolt action carbine with a 20" barrel. But, with its slender receiver and lacking a bolt handle protruding from its side, it is much trimmer than any bolt action. It handles better and is easier to carry in either hand or slung over either shoulder.

Various scopes have graced my Low Wall over the years, usually a 3-9x40mm variable of reputable make. My Low Wall is chambered for the .243 Winchester, a flat shooting, long range deer cartridge. Other calibers have been available over the years--the calibers offered seem to vary frequently--most notably .260 Remington. If you happen to spot one of those somewhere, my advice is to buy it!

Marlin Model 336SS

Illustration courtesy of Marlin Firearms Co.
The lever action Marlin Model 336 is one of the all time great deer rifles. The stainless steel and walnut 336SS version with the carbine length 20" barrel is my favorite. Other standard Model 336 carbine variations come in blue steel and walnut, in calibers .30-30 or .35 Remington.

The 336SS is available only in .30-30 Winchester, which is no problem as the .30-30 is one of the all time great deer cartridges. The .30-30 is a reliable medium range (200 yard plus) harvester of deer that won't kick you out from under your hat.

That deer dropping range can be extended to around 250 yards if you choose to shoot Hornady LeverEvolution loads from the 24" barrel of a Model 336XLR. The XLR is a stainless steel 336 with a gray laminated hardwood stock that is produced specifically to take full ballistic advantage of LeverEvolution ammo. The Marlin 336XLR is also available in the new .308 Marlin caliber, which approaches the performance of the .308 Winchester.

One of the big advantages of the Marlin 336 design is its solid top receiver and side ejection that make low and over bore scope mounting easy. I prefer a one-piece Leupold standard mount for maximum strength and rigidity. A fixed power scope in the 2.5x or 4x range is perfectly suitable, as is a variable power scope in the 1-4x or 2-7x range.

Ruger M77RSI

Illustration courtesy of Sturm, Ruger & Co., Inc.
This is the handiest of all my bolt action rifles. It is easy to carry on a stalk and walk (still hunting), and handy when entering and exiting a hunting vehicle.

The M77RSI is light, but not ultra-light, and well balanced due to its graceful Mannlicher style stock. This is a good thing, as an ultra-light rifle chambered for the .308 Winchester cartridge kicks like the devil. The M77RSI still kicks, but is manageable. The little Ruger also comes with a full size buttstock designed to fit an adult shooter, not a stock with a shortened length of pull like the Ruger M77 Compact.

The principle drawback of the M77RSI is its very short 18.5" barrel. That is really too short for a high intensity cartridge like the .308 Win. The result is excessive muzzle blast and seriously curtailed velocity. However, a 150 grain bullet still chronographs at around 2600 fps (depending on the specific load), and that remains a deadly deer missile. Other .308 M77 variations, such as the M77R Standard Rifle, are better in the all-around rifle role, but the M77RSI is a tough bolt action to top as a deer rifle.

Ruger No. 1A Light Sporter

Illustration courtesy of Lipsey's, Inc.
My falling block K1A Light Sporter is a limited edition model with a stainless steel barreled action and walnut stock in .257 Roberts. Standard No. 1A rifles are blue steel and walnut. Mine wears a 2-7x variable power scope, a fine choice for most deer rifles that minimizes the scope's negative effect on the rifle's handling.

It is hard to imagine a better deer rifle than the No. 1A Light Sporter. It is about the same length overall as a .30-30 lever action with a 20" barrel, although a little heavier, and the No. 1A has the advantage of a 22" barrel for better ballistic performance and is available in an assortment of high intensity cartridges. The best of both worlds.

Of course, a single shot rifle is not as fast for follow-up shots as a lever action repeater, or even a bolt action. But, it is fast enough. And, I subscribe to the old Indian saying, "one shot, deer; two shots, maybe; three shots, never. If you don't make the first shot good, you are very probably in deep trouble no matter what kind of rifle you are using.

Falling block single shot actions are short and have no unwieldy bolt handle protruding from the side of the action. This makes them exceptionally easy to carry in the hand when still hunting or, if mounted, in a scabbard. They are also the safest action if you spend a lot of time getting into and out of a vehicle, as they are so fast and easy to load and unload.

Winchester Model 70 Featherweight

Illustration courtesy of U.S. Repeating Arms Co., Inc.
The Model 70 Featherweight, recently discontinued, is one of the best and most famous bolt action hunting rifles in the world. Standard calibers, such as the 6.5x55 for which my blue steel and walnut Featherweight is chambered, come with a 22" barrel. That is my favorite length for a high intensity (non-magnum) cartridge such as the versatile 6.5x55.

The Model 70 Featherweight is actually a light, but not ultra-light, rifle. The Featherweight strikes an excellent balance between portability and ballistic performance. It is not as handy as the M77RSI, but it delivers nearly full velocity and less muzzle blast. Like the Ruger M77RSI, it comes with an adult size stock. The weight of the two rifles is similar.

My Featherweight wears a Weaver V9 scope, and in the recent past wore a 2-7x variable. Both scopes are entirely satisfactory for the rifle, the caliber, and deer.

During its last year of production the Model 70 Classic Featherweight was catalogued with a stainless steel barreled action and a walnut stock. I have no idea how many of these were actually produced, but I'd sure like to have one in 6.5x55 or 7mm-08!

Winchester Model 94

Illustration courtesy of U.S. Repeating Arms Co., Inc.
The lever action Winchester Model 94, discontinued in 2006, is the most famous deer rifle of all time. Nothing handles better, or even as well, as a Model 94 carbine with a 20" round barrel. Mine is the traditional walnut/blue configuration chambered for the unbeatable .30-30 cartridge.

The Model 94's slender receiver makes it one of the worlds finest walk and stalk deer rifles, and it is equally at home in a saddle scabbard. The Model 94 looks right, feels right, and shoots right.

Being a pre-'64 model, mine wears a Leupold 2.5x fixed power scope in a "scout" type mount forward of the receiver. Later angle-eject Model 94s can wear their scopes mounted on the receiver and overbore, and the same scopes recommended for the Marlin 336 (above) are also perfect for angle eject Model 94s.

The manufacture of new Model 94's may have been discontinued by the powers that be in Belgium, who obviously don't understand North American deer hunting, but there are plenty of good Model 94s on the used market. So many millions of Model 94s were manufactured during their 100+ year production run that there should be no shortage of suitable deer hunting rifles for years to come.
"Strange as it seems, no amount of learning can cure stupidity, and higher education positively fortifies it." Stephen Vizinczey
ringworm is offline  

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:55 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
This site and contents, including all posts, Copyright © 1998-2014 S.W.A.T. Magazine
Copyright Complaints: Please direct DMCA Takedown Notices to the registered agent:
Contact Us
Page generated in 0.10600 seconds with 7 queries