Molot Vepr 308 Super

BrunoNorway · August 17, 2008, 06:53 PM

Hey guys. I have fell in love with the Molot Vepr but are wondring about the availebilety for aftermarket parts
and accsessories for it. I would want to put a diffrent stock, a two peice synthetic stock,
on it and a 20rnd mag of some sort.

Do you know any internett sites with stuff for the Molot Vepr.
pleace help me.

Here is a pic of the molot i want to buy. Sorry aboute the size.

**JohnKSa** · August 17, 2008, 11:30 PM

My understanding is that Molot was forced to stop making these rifles as the result of a lawsuit.

As far as I know there have never been any mags for this gun higher than 10 round capacity.

BrunoNorway · August 18, 2008, 07:34 AM

I dont know if they make them anymore but they are sold here in Norway.
Closest thing to a AK you can get here in Norway.
Would it be hard to make a 20 rnd mag for the Vepr or make the Vepr to take 20 rnd, G3 or FAL mags?
what about the stock? Dont you guys have any input on the stock?
What about AK parts, do you think it would work with a AK stock of some sort?

Pleace help me.

ISC · August 18, 2008, 09:41 AM

looks alot like a Saiga. I wonder if the 20 round saiga mags would work.

BrunoNorway · August 18, 2008, 12:51 PM

I think its the same "AK" layout as the Saiga but are not shore about that.
I am hoping its easy to make them take G3 mags. Easy to get G3 mag here.

dosent anybody know anything about the Molot Vepr 308 Super?

SOS

ISC · August 18, 2008, 01:34 PM

I think your best bet may be to find a good TIG welder and machinist and modify the mags to work in the rifle.

**JohnKSa** · August 19, 2008, 12:09 AM

The mags are plastic.

BrunoNorway · August 19, 2008, 09:54 AM

I think he was refering to G3 mags.

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I am hoping its easy to make them take G3 mags.

I guess the Molots isnt that common in either the US or Norway.
Ther is close to no info on the nett either. Hmm?
Il just go for the old method of trial and error.

If anybody got any info, pleace reply.

ISC · August 19, 2008, 10:18 PM

yes, I was referring to modifying the G3 mags to fit the molot.

RedneckFur · August 19, 2008, 11:17 PM

After seeing that pic, all I can say is that I want one! That's no doubt one of the most beautiful AK family rifles I've ever seen.

BrunoNorway · August 20, 2008, 04:03 PM

Yeah, it is realy nice.
This rifle, as you see on the pic, pluss Otis cleaning equitment, two mags, a sling and a gun case as a whole package, costs 5000$. If you were to buy it all separate, it would cost 5800$.

It is so nice but so are other guns. Ther is so many guns i want to get.

I am also drewling on the Accuracy International Artic Warfere Rifle. With scope and evrything i will have to pay betwen 11000 and 13000$ and costs about the same to shoot each year.

Its about priorety, right?

If/when

i get one i am not shore if i will have the heart to change anything
on it. But we will see.

Still open for advice and inputt.

Yithian · August 20, 2008, 06:39 PM

I would say try a Saiga Mag.
Both are AK's. Both use plastic mags.
Maybe, just maybe, the AK100 series was based off the Molot.

BTW, I'm with redneck...
+1 on its beauty. It is the best looking I have ever seen as well.
I have a wood blank to carve... I wonder if it is large enough for a Saiga/Molot?

**JohnKSa** · August 21, 2008, 01:22 AM

Wow, that's pretty high...

When Robinson was selling the Super VEPRs in the U.S. they were going for around $1000 if I recall correctly. Of course that didn't include the bipod, adjustable cheekpiece or silencer.

My VEPR II in .308 was about $700 new. The accessories were extra.

The mag in the gun is a 5 rounder, the others hold 10 rounds. The red dot scope is a Kobra, the mounted scope is an 8X Russian made sniper scope with an illuminated reticle.

(There's a magazine under the barrel holding up the front of the gun, that's what the odd looking shape between the forearm and the front sight is.)

BrunoNorway · August 21, 2008, 04:52 PM

Nice rifle John. Guns are not cheep here. A standard/stock DPMS or Bushmaster AR-15, 20" will cost you about 2000$.
Sig-550 4000$,
Mini-14 1500$
DPMS-308 2600$
Glock-17 1000$
Glock-19 1200$
H&K USP Tactical 1800$

You get the picture. I dont know if this is that psycho prices but i think its pretty costly compered to the USA.

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Still open for advice and inputt.

**JohnKSa** · August 21, 2008, 11:49 PM

I'd say those qualify as "psycho prices", they're at least double what you'd pay in the U.S.

The VEPR rifles are AK pattern rifles built on a true RPK style receiver (both sides of the receiver are reinforced at the forward end). The Saiga rifles are built on a hybrid RPK style receiver (one side is reinforced).

I've owned one of each but never tried any parts interchangeability experiments. A good gunsmith should be able to fix anything on the rifle that's worth fixing--a receiver failure would probably do you in unless you really wanted to drop some cash. I've not heard of any breakage issues with the rifles though. As I understand it, the Saiga factory sued Molot over the VEPR and Molot was forced to quit manufacturing them. Parts are limited to what you can find on the open market. Some of the internal receiver parts appear to be interchangeable with any AK rifle, but I don't have any way to make a list.

Hi capacity magazines for either the Saiga or VEPR in the .308 rifles are going to be hard to find. I don't believe Molot ever made any and the highest capacities I've heard of for the Saiga were 8 round, IIRC. If 10 rounds isn't enough you'll have to do some sort of magazine conversion or modify the gun. Krebs custom will (or would at one time) modify the VEPR to take either Galil or M14 magazines. It's not an expensive modification. I've heard at least a few people suggest that the conversion to the M14 mags is something that's simple enough that it falls within the realm of a do-it-yourselfer.

Here's are some interesting threads.

http://migeta.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1345
http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17671

I'm assuming that the Super VEPR is just a VEPR with a different stock and different top cover. If there are other internal differences then all bets are off.

BrunoNorway · August 22, 2008, 12:37 PM

I dont think i will be needing a 20 rnd mag but it is nice to have. The only reson i can think of would be hords of big-game vampire and ware-wolf varmints. yes they have come to Norway as well.

A 20 rnd mag would ruin the "arodynamic"

of the rifle, also, while hunting here in Norway you are not alowed to have a mag that can take more than 2 rounds. This is becouse of "hunting ethics". you are not supose to engage multiple targests at the same time (moose family whipe out). One in the chamber and two in the mag.

M14 are not legal here in Norway so mags are few and far between.

You could get it legal here but it is sutch a time consuming and costly prosses so nobody havent bothered yet.

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I'm assuming that the Super VEPR is just a VEPR with a different stock and different top cover.

I am assuming that as well. Thanks for the links.

jrfoxx · August 22, 2008, 01:46 PM

Man, I LOVE that stock.

BrunoNorway · August 22, 2008, 04:32 PM

Yeah. It is beutiful.

love it.

steve bone724 · September 18, 2011, 02:47 PM

http://stores.csspecs.com/StoreFront.bok

tobnpr · September 18, 2011, 04:59 PM

I think the Super Vepr is a "target" model with a fluted heavy barrel and integral compensator.

I've always been intrigued by these...

JohnK;

You said "owned"...your opinion of them? Reasonably accurate (1-2 MOA) with match ammo?

**JohnKSa** · September 18, 2011, 09:02 PM

Yeah, confession time. I traded the Saiga before I ever fired it and although I've had the VEPR for several years, I've never gotten it to the range. I don't get a chance to shoot rifles nearly as much as I'd like and because I have several rifles none of them get shot very often. Somehow the VEPR has never managed to make it to the range.

From reading other folks' reviews of the VEPR rifles, they seemed to be reasonably accurate. Robinson Armaments, who imported them into the US, has target pictures on their website showing a few very impressive groups shot with various VEPR rifles and I've heard a few reports indicating at least some of the VEPRs shoot about 1MOA. The more serious reviews I read seemed to indicate that 2-3MOA might be a more accurate assessment than 1-2MOA.

August 17, 2008, 06:53 PM	#1
BrunoNorway Senior Member Join Date: December 20, 2007 Location: Hedmark, Norway Posts: 369	Molot Vepr 308 Super Hey guys. I have fell in love with the Molot Vepr but are wondring about the availebilety for aftermarket parts and accsessories for it. I would want to put a diffrent stock, a two peice synthetic stock, on it and a 20rnd mag of some sort. Do you know any internett sites with stuff for the Molot Vepr. pleace help me. Here is a pic of the molot i want to buy. Sorry aboute the size. __________________ ☧ IN HOC SIGNO VINCES

August 17, 2008, 11:30 PM	#2
JohnKSa Staff Join Date: February 12, 2001 Location: DFW Area Posts: 16,762	My understanding is that Molot was forced to stop making these rifles as the result of a lawsuit. As far as I know there have never been any mags for this gun higher than 10 round capacity. __________________ Did you know that there is a TEXAS State Rifle Association? Check out Black Bear Flashlights.

August 18, 2008, 07:34 AM	#3
BrunoNorway Senior Member Join Date: December 20, 2007 Location: Hedmark, Norway Posts: 369	I dont know if they make them anymore but they are sold here in Norway. Closest thing to a AK you can get here in Norway. Would it be hard to make a 20 rnd mag for the Vepr or make the Vepr to take 20 rnd, G3 or FAL mags? what about the stock? Dont you guys have any input on the stock? What about AK parts, do you think it would work with a AK stock of some sort? Pleace help me. __________________ ☧ IN HOC SIGNO VINCES

August 18, 2008, 12:51 PM	#5
BrunoNorway Senior Member Join Date: December 20, 2007 Location: Hedmark, Norway Posts: 369	I think its the same "AK" layout as the Saiga but are not shore about that. I am hoping its easy to make them take G3 mags. Easy to get G3 mag here. dosent anybody know anything about the Molot Vepr 308 Super? SOS __________________ ☧ IN HOC SIGNO VINCES

August 19, 2008, 12:09 AM	#7
JohnKSa Staff Join Date: February 12, 2001 Location: DFW Area Posts: 16,762	The mags are plastic. __________________ Did you know that there is a TEXAS State Rifle Association? Check out Black Bear Flashlights.

August 18, 2008, 09:41 AM	#4
ISC Junior member Join Date: August 5, 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 1,982	looks alot like a Saiga. I wonder if the 20 round saiga mags would work.

August 18, 2008, 01:34 PM	#6
ISC Junior member Join Date: August 5, 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 1,982	I think your best bet may be to find a good TIG welder and machinist and modify the mags to work in the rifle.

August 19, 2008, 10:18 PM	#9
ISC Junior member Join Date: August 5, 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 1,982	yes, I was referring to modifying the G3 mags to fit the molot.

August 19, 2008, 11:17 PM	#10
RedneckFur Senior Member Join Date: January 14, 2007 Location: Sotheastern US Posts: 1,416	After seeing that pic, all I can say is that I want one! That's no doubt one of the most beautiful AK family rifles I've ever seen.

August 20, 2008, 04:03 PM	#11
BrunoNorway Senior Member Join Date: December 20, 2007 Location: Hedmark, Norway Posts: 369	Yeah, it is realy nice. This rifle, as you see on the pic, pluss Otis cleaning equitment, two mags, a sling and a gun case as a whole package, costs 5000$. If you were to buy it all separate, it would cost 5800$. It is so nice but so are other guns. Ther is so many guns i want to get. I am also drewling on the Accuracy International Artic Warfere Rifle. With scope and evrything i will have to pay betwen 11000 and 13000$ and costs about the same to shoot each year. Its about priorety, right? If/when i get one i am not shore if i will have the heart to change anything on it. But we will see. Still open for advice and inputt. __________________ ☧ IN HOC SIGNO VINCES

August 20, 2008, 06:39 PM	#12
Yithian Senior Member Join Date: June 7, 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 719	I would say try a Saiga Mag. Both are AK's. Both use plastic mags. Maybe, just maybe, the AK100 series was based off the Molot. BTW, I'm with redneck... +1 on its beauty. It is the best looking I have ever seen as well. I have a wood blank to carve... I wonder if it is large enough for a Saiga/Molot? __________________ Pondering the differences, terminally, between the V-Max and the A-Max.

August 21, 2008, 11:49 PM	#15
JohnKSa Staff Join Date: February 12, 2001 Location: DFW Area Posts: 16,762	I'd say those qualify as "psycho prices", they're at least double what you'd pay in the U.S. The VEPR rifles are AK pattern rifles built on a true RPK style receiver (both sides of the receiver are reinforced at the forward end). The Saiga rifles are built on a hybrid RPK style receiver (one side is reinforced). I've owned one of each but never tried any parts interchangeability experiments. A good gunsmith should be able to fix anything on the rifle that's worth fixing--a receiver failure would probably do you in unless you really wanted to drop some cash. I've not heard of any breakage issues with the rifles though. As I understand it, the Saiga factory sued Molot over the VEPR and Molot was forced to quit manufacturing them. Parts are limited to what you can find on the open market. Some of the internal receiver parts appear to be interchangeable with any AK rifle, but I don't have any way to make a list. Hi capacity magazines for either the Saiga or VEPR in the .308 rifles are going to be hard to find. I don't believe Molot ever made any and the highest capacities I've heard of for the Saiga were 8 round, IIRC. If 10 rounds isn't enough you'll have to do some sort of magazine conversion or modify the gun. Krebs custom will (or would at one time) modify the VEPR to take either Galil or M14 magazines. It's not an expensive modification. I've heard at least a few people suggest that the conversion to the M14 mags is something that's simple enough that it falls within the realm of a do-it-yourselfer. Here's are some interesting threads. http://migeta.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1345 http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17671 I'm assuming that the Super VEPR is just a VEPR with a different stock and different top cover. If there are other internal differences then all bets are off. __________________ Did you know that there is a TEXAS State Rifle Association? Check out Black Bear Flashlights.

August 22, 2008, 01:46 PM	#17
jrfoxx Senior Member Join Date: August 20, 2004 Location: Evanston,WY Posts: 898	Man, I LOVE that stock. __________________ Q: How can I reduce the amount of mail I receive from the NRA? A: Simply email us at membership@nrahq.org or dial 800-NRA-3888 and request to be placed on the "Do Not Promote" list.

August 22, 2008, 04:32 PM	#18
BrunoNorway Senior Member Join Date: December 20, 2007 Location: Hedmark, Norway Posts: 369	Yeah. It is beutiful. love it. __________________ ☧ IN HOC SIGNO VINCES

September 18, 2011, 02:47 PM	#19
steve bone724 Junior Member Join Date: September 18, 2011 Posts: 1	vepr 308 mags now available use the link http://stores.csspecs.com/StoreFront.bok

September 18, 2011, 04:59 PM	#20
tobnpr Senior Member Join Date: August 1, 2010 Location: Tampa Bay Posts: 2,211	I think the Super Vepr is a "target" model with a fluted heavy barrel and integral compensator. I've always been intrigued by these... JohnK; You said "owned"...your opinion of them? Reasonably accurate (1-2 MOA) with match ammo?

September 18, 2011, 09:02 PM	#21
JohnKSa Staff Join Date: February 12, 2001 Location: DFW Area Posts: 16,762	Yeah, confession time. I traded the Saiga before I ever fired it and although I've had the VEPR for several years, I've never gotten it to the range. I don't get a chance to shoot rifles nearly as much as I'd like and because I have several rifles none of them get shot very often. Somehow the VEPR has never managed to make it to the range. From reading other folks' reviews of the VEPR rifles, they seemed to be reasonably accurate. Robinson Armaments, who imported them into the US, has target pictures on their website showing a few very impressive groups shot with various VEPR rifles and I've heard a few reports indicating at least some of the VEPRs shoot about 1MOA. The more serious reviews I read seemed to indicate that 2-3MOA might be a more accurate assessment than 1-2MOA. __________________ Did you know that there is a TEXAS State Rifle Association? Check out Black Bear Flashlights.