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Old February 22, 1999, 02:11 AM   #26
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Gunny as in gunnysack or as in USMC Gunnery Sergeant?

Hoplophobia? I understand it is derived from hoplite. Used in a phalanx, the hoplite was formidable but it was proven that peltasts, given the terrain could prove their master. Ahh, where goes the valor of men when they must slay another with firearms from afar instead of the push of the pike?
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Old February 22, 1999, 08:47 AM   #27
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Old February 22, 1999, 09:48 AM   #28
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Gary-
Hoplophobia is a Jeff Cooper term.
Hoplo= Tool or Weapon (interchangeable in original Greek)
Phobia= Irrational fear.
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Old February 22, 1999, 12:10 PM   #29
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Thanks Rich. Should have figured that one out but I never studied Greek (OK, so Hoplo is Greek and phobia is Latin). I know the hoplite was the heavily armored pikeman of 600-350 B.C. Deployed in a phalanx, battles were won by the "push of the pike" and the side which pushed heavier and remained steadier prevailed. The heavy armor gave the hoplites of the Greek city states the advantage over their lightly armored Persian enemies (and others). Naturally, this was a strictly a linear battle formation not conducive to rough terrain (less the phalanx lose its cohesiveness) and this made the flanks of the phalanx vulnerable. Thus, light infantry with greater mobility, known as peltasts, were formed to protect the flanks of the phalanx. Calvary was also used in this regard. In one battle, despite the Spartan hoplites being defeated by Athenian peltasts (on the island of Pylos), all Greeks stubbornly stayed with the hoplite. While the heavier armor was later discarded by the Macedonians, it wasn't until the advent of the Roman Legion did the Greek phalanx meet its match. Enough history for today.

So, what's the T-shirt going to look like folks?
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Old February 22, 1999, 05:20 PM   #30
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Visuals will be easy after we can decide on the text.

I'm still leaning toward "www.TheFiringLine.com: Where the Good Guys Are," with a pair of ivory-handled Colt SAA Revolvers or something like that...

(I agree with 4v50 Gary... I like the guns, too.)

Oleg has agreed to be my designer on this one, since I'm working on another freelance project this & next week (Hey, the Creative Director part is the easiest... I just sit back and ask for ideas, then delegate the actual "work" to the Art Director. ).

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Old February 22, 1999, 08:10 PM   #31
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I'm a bit partial to the Ben Franklin quote, but maybe that's too stodgy. And, this will sound dumb (because I don't care for 'political correctness' at all!), but I'd like to see plenty of female participation and 'where the good guys are' may be discouraging (?). Q, is that silly? Otherwise, I like it.

How about 'Shooting subjects, for those who won't be shooting subjects'?

Along Grayfox's and Raymond's lines, how about:

"TheFiringLine.Com - Ammunition for your mind!"?


I think it would be great to include an H&K / Sig / 1911 pistol, and a rifle or shotgun ('black' rifle probably not best - maybe M-14 or ??)

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Old February 22, 1999, 10:06 PM   #32
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How about something really simple and to the point, such as, The Firing Line logo on the the front and on the back, "It's Loaded!".....
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Old February 22, 1999, 11:17 PM   #33
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Hey Kate! Welcome! Ask and ye shall receive, eh?
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Old February 23, 1999, 12:20 AM   #34
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I always refer to TFL as

"The Premier Firearms Discussion site on the Internet"

I am in favor of VERY simple graphics.. no matter what it says, if it looks like a def lepard T-shirt, I probly won't wear it much.

Futhermore, when you guys get around to actually buying the shirts, please involve me. I get great shirts at dirt bottom pricing from some of the companies I use as sponsors for charity events.

Anyone up for a reasonably priced Polo instead of a T-shirt ??

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Old February 23, 1999, 01:02 AM   #35
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Actually a Polo / golf shirt would be a very good idea, or at least an option. It would be good to let some of our fellow golfers see what we do during the other 6 days of the week.

If we go with T's, let's get decent quality shirts - the thin ones are bad news. Of course, the market will govern ...

For a logo, how about a crossed rifle and shotgun, with a pistol over 'TFL', ala:

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Old February 23, 1999, 05:58 AM   #36
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I'd suggest using a graphic similar to the one at the top of this page, except don't use the M-60. You could use two rifles, say a flintlock and an M-14, maybe with a Colt SAA and a 1911 in the foreground. Under the graphic, you could put something like "All gun talk, All the time" (not neccesarly that phrase--just a suggestion).

Then, simply put "www.thefiringline.com" on the pocket (if it's a pocket tee) or over the left breast.

How's that sound?


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Old February 23, 1999, 08:49 AM   #37
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"The Firing Line-Ammunition for the Mind"

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Old February 23, 1999, 09:40 AM   #38
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The T-Shirts will be high quality. Polos? Might be an idea. However, I have zero intention of stocking 144 TFL polo shirts and 144 TFL T's on the off chance they're gonna become the latest fashion craze.

Once the designs are done to Q's satisfaction, we'll price the units and, if we can get committments for all of 'em (at cost), we'll move forward. Otherwise, we had some fun.
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Old February 23, 1999, 12:35 PM   #39
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As a point of order, the gun is a FN MAG. It shares with the M60 the feed mechanism of the MG42. Respectfully,

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Old February 23, 1999, 04:41 PM   #40
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For the text part, how about "www.thefiringline.com" and "This Is Your Brain On Guns...Any Questions!".
Yes I got the idea from the anti-drug comercials. I like them.

just a thought

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Old February 24, 1999, 12:20 AM   #41
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I think we're getting close. I really like "Ammunition for your mind". I think the main point is to stress that we're not just shooters, but intellegent thinkers as well.
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Old February 24, 1999, 12:26 AM   #42
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OK, how about the gun with one of those fancy slogans someone suggests beneath it?
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Old February 24, 1999, 07:44 AM   #43
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Old February 24, 1999, 01:29 PM   #44
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Alas, nobody has suggeted a Pennsylvania / Kentuchy rifle.
"the Spirit of 1776
(picture and/or "The Firing Line Forums")
"into 2000"
----but all the other ideas are great!
Please don't crossed AK 47's or any other military rifle - many of the terrorist goons that have caused so much misery in the name of 'marxism-leninism' (and still do) here in Latin America have used this style logo... just stating the obvious

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Old February 24, 1999, 01:38 PM   #45
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The one about the Kentucky rifle is a good one. How about some satin jackets? could get them on a as per order item? with members name above left breast.


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Old February 24, 1999, 02:16 PM   #46
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I love Grayfox's "Ammunition for your Mind" idea.
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Old February 24, 1999, 05:17 PM   #47
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On the other hand there is some advantage in using the word "hoplophobia" just imagine...

Non Gun Person (NGP): "Hey! what does that mean?"
You snap out your portable soap box, assemble it quickly and start

"Its an unreasonable fear of weapons... etc."

A great opportunity for spreading the gospel!

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Old February 24, 1999, 06:37 PM   #48
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My vote goes for "Ammunition For Your Mind"

with a the TFL logo and a Kentucky rifle on top with a Glock on the bottom. Old to new topics of discussion symbology.

For the tshirt put the forum listing on the back; the polo just have the logo.

I also like the idea of polo shirts, although I just want a TFL shirt

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Old February 24, 1999, 10:55 PM   #49
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Morgan,
Just for the record "Ammunition for your mind" was Jeff Thomas' idea. Give credit where credit is due.

I like the crossed rifle and pistol idea. But, the point about pure military weapons is well taken. How about a flintlock and an olympic target rifle at the top with a peacemaker and a bullseye 1911 at the bottom?
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Old February 27, 1999, 11:45 PM   #50
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Thanks, Grayfox. It occurred to me only after reading your idea and Raymond's.

So, Rich, do you need any capital to get the t-shirts going?

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