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Old June 7, 2008, 10:53 AM   #1
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Springfield M1A or DSA FAL .308????

I am looking at picking up another .308 semi rifle. I have ammo already and have my choices down to two set ups.

I like the basic M1A by Springfield, but then was at the NRA show and picked up a DSA made FAL rifle. Both are around $1,000 and I have been unable to shoot either one of them.

I would like any feedback on these to set ups.
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Old June 7, 2008, 11:21 AM   #3
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Thank Jason should have searched first.............
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Old June 7, 2008, 11:34 AM   #4
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Yup... lots of previous discussions about the FAL vs. M1A

You might be able to find a used Springfield M1A for $1k. The standard models that I've seen are costing around $1300 nowadays. Chinese clone rifles can be had under $1k.
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Old June 7, 2008, 11:59 AM   #5
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FAL from DSA for a practical battle rifle.

M14 clone for a target gun.
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Old June 7, 2008, 12:38 PM   #6
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M14 for a practical battle rifle.

FAL clone from DSA for a target gun.
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Old June 7, 2008, 01:09 PM   #7
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hank Jason should have searched first.............
NP.

Let us know what you decide.

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Old June 7, 2008, 01:51 PM   #8
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M14 for a practical battle rifle.

FAL clone from DSA for a target gun.
That's just about the silliest thing I've heard come out of your mouth yet, SR420.

SEI-fanboyism is all well and good, but to imply that the FAL is going to outshoot an M14 on the target line is absolutely ridiculous. More work has gone into research for accurization of the M14 platform whether scoped or with standard iron sights than the FAL. The market for premium match grade barrels is much wider.

Not that the OP indicated they wish to spend $2500+ on a match-tuned M14... I realized that.

But, don't you think there's a good reason why the market is not populated with half a dozen different competition-grade FAL barrels? Or why a tuned and optimized FAL has never won at Camp Perry?

Then why would you recommend a FAL as a target rifle, other than to imply that the M14 is a more "battle ready and reliable" rifle than the FAL? And that the only suitable use for a FAL is to harrass soda cans at the target range?

Even as an M14 fanboy myself, I have a hard time swallowing that declaration. The FAL is a perfectly reliable weapon.
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Old June 7, 2008, 01:53 PM   #9
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Thanks for making my point clear.
Both are excellent battle rifles, and the M14 can also be a target rifle were as the FAL can not.

The M14 delivers the best of both worlds.
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Old June 7, 2008, 06:03 PM   #10
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apparently an fal can be had for 700-800 while m1as are 1300-1600 range
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Old June 7, 2008, 07:33 PM   #11
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Look An M1a is going to cost you more all the way around. Some Fals are sweet...some are not ( poorly made kit rifles) The Fal I have most experience with ..I LOVE and would put it against an M1a.

The M1a however trumps the FAL in a couple of Key areas

1. Trigger

2. sights

sure things can be done to the FAL to sweeten the deal but it will never have the sweet trigger or great sights that the M1a has....

what does it matter as long as shoots Minute of Bad Guy at 500 yrds....for me not much. But thats because I am broke lol. too many guns to want.
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Old June 7, 2008, 10:53 PM   #12
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The M1a however trumps the FAL in a couple of Key areas

1. Trigger

2. sights
The FAL's main strengths are superior ergonomics (for right handed shooters) -- better safety (thumb accessible, no need to have a finger fumbling inside the trigger guard), better charging handle placement (weak side/no need to break grip or engage in acrobatics to rack slide), etc.

Sadly, no one makes a cool guy stock for the M14, as far as I know, that puts the controls where you need them on a fighting gun for optimal speed. Hence my statement that for a combat gun, running 0-300 (and mostly inside 100) and such, the FAL has the advantage.
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Old June 8, 2008, 06:40 AM   #13
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I don't know about a cool guy stock, but the M14 shooter has several modern, pistol gripped stocks that greatly improve ergonomics.
As long as you are familiar with one, the M14 automatically puts the controls where you need them on a fighting gun for optimal speed.
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Old June 8, 2008, 07:16 AM   #14
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"An M1a is going to cost you more all the way around. Some Fals are sweet...some are not ( poorly made kit rifles)"

The exact same thing can be, and must be, said about M14 clones. Some M14's are actually dangerous to fire. The Garand-receiver rewelds used to build up M14 clones are not safe. The Federal Ordnance M14's are encountered regularly (see at least one at every gun show I go to) and are poorly made kit rifles.

Yet, this attention to FAL's being kit rifles and M14 not is odd to me. Some of the most expensive M14 clones have nearly 100% USGI parts (LRB). This makes them just as much a kit gun as any FAL.

The DSA SA-58 and Springfield M1a are both almost 100% NOT GI. Frankly, for my desire, GI parts are great and I would love to have an FAL STG-58 or SAR 48 built on an Israeli kit. But, then, I would also prefer an Armscor built TRW M14 clone.

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Old June 8, 2008, 07:32 AM   #15
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The Garand-receiver rewelds used to build up M14 clones are not safe.
The Federal Ordnance M14's are encountered regularly (see at least one at every gun show I go to) and are poorly made kit rifles.
Avoid all rewelds !!

SAI makes a decent cast receiver and LRB makes a fine forged receiver.
I prefer forged Chinese receivers built with a mix of USGI, Chinese and SEI parts
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Old June 8, 2008, 07:50 AM   #16
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Though not on your list, I have a DPMS 308 that is very nice.
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Old June 8, 2008, 09:40 AM   #17
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As long as you are familiar with one, the M14 automatically puts the controls where you need them on a fighting gun for optimal speed.
Nope. Sorry. It doesn't.

I know any criticism of the M14 prompts you to hold your hands over your ears and shout "No, No, No" at the top of your lungs, but control layout on the M14 isn't very good by modern standards, and is certainly not as fast handling as a FAL.
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Old June 8, 2008, 03:12 PM   #18
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Just admit that you are not comfortable with the M14 and that it's not right for you.

Also, accept the possibility that the M14 is right and comfortable for many enthusiast.
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Old June 9, 2008, 08:55 AM   #19
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I'm quite comfortable with the M14. That doesn't do anything to make a mediocre service rifle design, which is what the M14 was and is, into something more effective, however.
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Old June 9, 2008, 11:10 AM   #20
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Thanks for your opinion.
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