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Old June 3, 2008, 09:39 AM   #1
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.357 magnum Stopping power

It looks like to me that nearly any of the name brands of Ammo, in .357 magnum is pretty good. In fact it is better'n most.
Even the little 110 gr. LHJHP does pretty good.

There is a Chart, on .357's at:

http://www.handloads.com/misc/stoppi...r=5&Weight=110

At least that's the way I read it.
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Old June 3, 2008, 12:52 PM   #2
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Yup, the .357 Magnum is still the "King of The Street" even after all these years.

The load that gave the .357 it's "reputation" though was the Federal 125 Grain JHP and the Remington 125 Grain SJHP. I myself carry Black Hills or Remington in 125 Grain, and not the "watered down" Golden Saber, DPX or other "remake" of the great round.

The 110 Grain Bullet was and still is good, but the 125 id the "King".

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Old June 3, 2008, 01:42 PM   #3
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by far, the .357(in any config) is my favorite caliber.
Before long I am going to add a lever action to the mix.
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Old June 3, 2008, 09:25 PM   #4
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The data in the link you posted is taken from the widely disputed Marshall/Sanow study so be prepared because you'll probably get flamed. The .357 does have a very good reputation for ending fights though and it is true that just about any quality hollowpoint in this caliber seems to be pretty good. I personally like the Remington 158grn Semi-Jacketed Hollowpoints.
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Old June 3, 2008, 09:45 PM   #5
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That article is a load of rubbish. NO handgun gets anywhere near 96% one-shot stops

http://www.firearmstactical.com/briefs31.htm

http://www.firearmstactical.com/sanow-strikes-out.htm

http://www.firearmstactical.com/mars...l-analysis.htm

this subject has been debunked over and over
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Old June 3, 2008, 10:04 PM   #6
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That article is a load of rubbish. NO handgun gets anywhere near 96% one-shot stops
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this subject has been debunked over and over
See, I told you. This always gets the Facklerites all riled up.
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Old June 3, 2008, 10:14 PM   #7
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.357 stopping power comes at a cost to you. Practice price, deafness, hard to handle, etc.

FBI load is sweet in a beefy revolver.
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Old June 4, 2008, 08:37 AM   #8
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NO handgun gets anywhere near 96% one-shot stops.
I do not see the .357 magnum covered specifically in your links. Many rounds have not even been researched or there is no reliable data in existence to show their effectiveness or lack of. Unless the human was completely zipped up on PCP , adrenaline , psychosis , etc. , I think ONE well placed center mass .357 round that was not FMJ would devastate anyone's health immediately. Especially if that center mass shot hit a vital organ such as a lung or the heart.
Head shot with a .357 JHP - (bad guy) cancel christmas!
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Old June 4, 2008, 08:48 AM   #9
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I find the Federal 125 grain is a stiff recoiling round even in the Model 28.I think the Blazer 158 grain JHP is perfect for K frame mags.It has little recoil and is pretty accurate at potential defensive distances.It still has more muzzle energy than the 45 ACP and about twice that of a .38.We were issued the 110 grain on my job-they were Remington-Peters JHP's.I still have a few boxes left and I retired 12 years ago.Sellier&Bellott 158 grain FMJ's are great for practice.Moderate recoil,low flash,and really accurate.
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Old June 5, 2008, 04:18 PM   #10
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Everything i've ever read says, nothing beats center of mass hit with 125gr. full-house load.
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Old June 5, 2008, 09:08 PM   #11
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I carried an N frame S&w .357 Magnum in combat and it never let me down. It saved my lfe twice.
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Old June 5, 2008, 10:37 PM   #12
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Hard Ball,

That's a pretty good recommendation. What load(s)?
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Old June 5, 2008, 11:35 PM   #13
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For a heavy frame, IIRC, I used to load 10.9 grains of blue dot over a gas checked 158 SWC. About 1500+ fps. Pretty close to the original load. Killed any critter I pointed it at ( even big deer hit the deck in one shot ) & I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of it!!
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Old June 6, 2008, 06:11 AM   #14
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based on what I know

A .355--.357" 124--127g JHp, when launched with sufficient velocity, is the most documented people-shooter extant.

Its status as "King of the One-Shot" is based on the results of shot people.
Actually shot, vs what gel might tell, or hypothesis might suggest.

So, in 357 Magnum, I'd most highly recommend a 125g JHP launched with vigor.
Same for you 9x19 folks (a 124g and 127g choice come to mind).
And you 357 SIG folks (you know which 125g to choose).
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Old June 6, 2008, 10:52 AM   #15
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"King of the Street" is a ficticious term made up by Mas Ayoob, Evan Marshall and Ed Sanow to sell some books...

The documented evidence has been debunked over and over and over and over. [go read my links above]

I challenge anyone here to please provide supporting evidence for this assertion OTHER THAN FLAWED M&S data that the .357 Magnum is such great 'man-stoppper'.


FWIW - i have a .357 myself and keep it loaded for Home-D on occasion. I don't believe that it is the King of the Hill in handgun stopping power though
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Old June 6, 2008, 08:27 PM   #16
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I don't believe that it is the King of the Hill in handgun stopping power though
So what is?
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Old June 6, 2008, 08:46 PM   #17
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Old June 6, 2008, 09:40 PM   #18
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So what is?
I dunno. .460 S&W, .500 S&W, .454 Casull

you asked....
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Old June 6, 2008, 09:50 PM   #19
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357 will do the job
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Old June 7, 2008, 09:39 AM   #20
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As A big city Texas cop I carried a 357 for years, for the the first little while in the US Border Patrol as well. I have seen a lot of people shot with a lot of things. A 357 magnum works well, very well. I could never understand how a 125 Grn 357 Mag was rated as a better stopper than a 180 Grn 44 Mag. Other than marketing. Recoil is very subjective, I am a big guy so I am not very sensitive (to a lot of things).

All that being said, it is hard to find a bad HP in 357. I still have 4 357's and carry one daily as a BUG, loaded with 125 DPX's (ScTi).
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Old June 8, 2008, 09:56 AM   #21
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Old June 9, 2008, 04:03 PM   #22
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357 magnum

just got rid of a nice model 28 because it is too heavy for my old arthritic hands and purchased a slick model 66
what do you think of the 66 as compared to the 28 for durability or should I just shoot 357 loads in case of emergency
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Old June 9, 2008, 07:54 PM   #23
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If the 357 is king, then what is the 38spl???

Ahh... the debate about "stopping power" and the 357 rears its ugly head again.

I think I read in G&A mag a while back that the 38spl has seen more street duty over the years as a cartridge than the 357. But, its just as easy for gun manufacturers to build a 357 cylinder as it is a 38spl, so, there are more 357 guns, but, more 38spl brass on the "streets".

I asked a LEO friend of mine who worked Minneapolis for a number years about this topic a while ago. He said, "plain and simple, every cop carried a 357 magnum S&W or Colt and none ever felt they had 'less' gun than what was needed ... ".

Today, I would say 9mm is more "king" than 357 for street work.
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Old June 9, 2008, 11:27 PM   #24
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I've shot plenty of loads through my S@W 627 and I'm just flat amazed that people say the hot loads in the .357 mag. are hard to handle. I'm a 65 yr. old medium sized guy and that gun is a joy to shoot, light loads or hot.
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Old June 9, 2008, 11:41 PM   #25
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Exactly!!!

HoraceHogsnort, you've said it for me too that, "I'm just flat amazed that people say the hot loads in the .357 mag. are hard to handle"! In my Taurus 608, S&W 686, Ruger SP 101.... NO problem!!!!!
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