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Old May 26, 2008, 04:28 PM   #1
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Charter Arms VS Taurus

I am interested in purchasing a 38 spl revolver this week. Although I have been told that S&W is the Cadillac, the price of the Taurus and CA are a lot more reasonable. At the same time I want to feel confident in that whatever I purchase will be reliable and will work if I ever need it. I would like to hear from Taurus and CA owners for their opinions and recommendations. Thanks in advance for your help.
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Old May 26, 2008, 04:34 PM   #2
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Unless you can find an old Charter with the unshrouded barrel, I would get a Taurus.
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Old May 26, 2008, 05:04 PM   #3
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Between the two, i'd opt for the Taurus. My 445 .44 Special and Model 44 .44 Magnum are nothing but accurate and reliable.
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Old May 27, 2008, 01:52 AM   #4
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Here's the scoop on Taurus snubbies.
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/in...p?topic=5405.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/in...p?topic=3128.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/in...p?topic=5780.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/in...p?topic=6694.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/in...p?topic=6754.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/in...p?topic=7052.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/in...p?topic=6929.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/in...p?topic=5847.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/in...p?topic=3595.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/in...p?topic=4789.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/in...p?topic=3595.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/in...p?topic=3413.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/in...p?topic=2759.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/in...p?topic=2453.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/in...p?topic=1627.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/in...p?topic=1211.0
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...d.php?t=290981
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...d.php?t=293237
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=360492
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...d.php?t=296031

I have an older Taurus 85CH and a brand new spanking Rossi 462 in stainless steel.

The Rossi is a 6 shooter ( no Colt Detective Specials have been made in years) and the 85CH is a 5 holer.
Thought to bring the 'A' game that should hopefully answer any questions.

Don't have any experience with the Charter offerings.

Which ever one fits you and your needs is the one to get.


Taurus 85 CH is over 20 years old,dureable and the longevity is there. It's still going strong. This can be said by many of the Taurus/Rossi group here or at www.taurusarmed.net, as well as at Taurus Talk at MSN.
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Old May 27, 2008, 02:43 AM   #5
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forget CA unless you can find one of the original ones. the NEW owners have a spotty track record. Go with taurus...preferably in all steel. the ultralights seem to have more problems than the steel.
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Old May 27, 2008, 03:51 AM   #6
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Taurus owns Rossi. the new Charter Arms are really well made revolvers. Neat anodized colors too


http://www.rossiusa.com/


http://www.charterfirearms.com/about..._Firearms.html
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Old May 27, 2008, 10:13 AM   #7
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I own a couple Taurus revolvers and both have had a good track record. The 627SS I have is several years old and has never had a problem.
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Old May 27, 2008, 10:30 AM   #8
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Why do you need it this week? Unless there is some immediate need for it e.g. known threat, trip, etc. I would wait another month (eat nothing but mac&cheese and hotdogs if necessary to save the $) or so and spend the extra for the S&W. You will never regret the extra wait to get a better quality firearm. Especially one you will probably keep forever.

If that money is burning a hole in your pocket and you get the Charter or the Taurus, after the initial excitement of having the gun wears off I bet you'll have buyer's remorse and wish you had waited and bought the Smith.
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Old May 27, 2008, 11:52 AM   #9
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You can get a used S&W for about $350-400. Shop around a little. If you must buy a Taurus or CA, then you are not ready for the greatness that is Smith and Wesson revolvers .
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Old May 27, 2008, 01:21 PM   #10
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Gee, I guess the flawless operation of my 3 Taurus, and one Rossi is a total mistake! I would never knock a Smith, Rugar, or even Glock. It really depends on what you want to use the gun for, cost break, and how it fits you!

If I had tried the other brands first I might say the other way, but If you like the looks of the gun, that is personal. Mine fit me! They might not fit you!

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THE JUDGE, PT111 9mm, 905 revolver 9mm, Rossi Blue 461 357. I have not had problem one with any of them.
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Old May 27, 2008, 01:40 PM   #11
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Old CA get it, new one stay away (POS). Taurus is great if you have a good one and a curse if you have a lemon. Take a chance in either Taurus or Rossi as a "cheap" quality revolver.

Here is what I own

Smith 686p (home/outdoors) cost 500.00
Smith 649 (backup to 686p in home) cost 470.00
Taurus 85 (Truck gun/ fishing gun) cost 100.00

All used, the cost of Taurus is lower than Smith. But my favorite 686p is a keeper!
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Old May 27, 2008, 01:44 PM   #12
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Taurus just came out with a 6-shot model 85...
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Old May 27, 2008, 01:51 PM   #13
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model 685? Wish Smith/Ruger did the same 6 shot sp101 or 649 would be nice.
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Old May 27, 2008, 02:26 PM   #14
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As a former Taurus owner (M85 died at 200 rounds), if you want to feel confident with your CCW, buy a Ruger or S&W. You might good a good Taurus and you might not. Same with Ruger or S&W, but your chances of getting a bad Taurus are higher than the other ones.

Save up. You won't regret it.
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Old May 27, 2008, 02:43 PM   #15
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It's important to consider total cost of ownership, not just the initial purchase price. The TCO formula would be:

TCO = Sold for - (Purchase Amt + Parts + Maintenance + Repair Svc + Shipping)

Examples:
The TCO for my Titanium Taurus Tracker would be:
-$360 = $350 - ($600 + 0 + $5 + 0 + $105)

My friend bought the S&W Mountain-lite at the same time. His TCO would be:
-$85 = $625 - ($700 + 0 + $10 + 0 + 0)

The Taurus looked cheaper to begin with but ended up being much more expensive since it had to be shipped back 3 times for the same problem. The Smith cost more out of pocket initially but it's like putting that money in the bank and instead of interest you get the use of a great handgun.
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Old May 27, 2008, 03:26 PM   #16
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I have a Ruger Gp100 and a Taurus 94 and 850. All three have been fine.
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Old May 28, 2008, 12:26 AM   #17
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Like others have said, I'd go with the best revolver you can afford, which unless you are just being cheap, you should get a Ruger or S&W.

But if I had to pick between CA or Taurus? Taurus hands down.
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Old May 28, 2008, 05:04 PM   #18
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I have a Rossi 462 2" 6 shot 357. It handles +P's with no problems. Give it a look, I have had no problems with it.
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Old May 29, 2008, 01:14 PM   #19
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If your not going to carry it, then you don't need a lightweight gun. If that is the case I woudl suggest that you hunt around for a used S&W or Ruger, which used will be about the same as a Taurus or Charter Arms new. You will be glad you did. All Steel Rugers and S&W revolvers will last forever and some old S&W models will at least retain their value sometime increasing in value over time.

If you intend on carrying (both Charter Arms and Taurus have lightweight models) I would lean a little bit toward the Taurus, simply because they look nicer, and they may be more reliable.

I have a few Taurus revolvers and they are OK. They look just like a S&W from a distance, but the quality is not 100%, so you can get a lemon. The new Charter arms revolvers are a little ugly, and the company has a checkered past with reliability and overall stability, sometimes they make decent weapons, sometimes they make pure junk. So far CA is making decent stuff and hey, its made in the USA and not Brazil. If Charter Arms revolver was cheaper than a similar Taurus and I just wanted a range gun, I would consider buying one.

Still while any weapon could fail, you will get more of an uneasy feeling that a Charter Arms or Taurus revolver could quit on you when you need it the most.
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Old May 29, 2008, 05:34 PM   #20
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Gee, I guess the flawless operation of my 3 Taurus, and one Rossi is a total mistake!
Probably.

I'm not saying don't buy a cheap gun. I have owned several Taurus revolvers over the years and I thought they were great. That is until I bought my first S&W revolver. I don't plan on buying another cheapo.
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Old May 30, 2008, 01:48 AM   #21
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Looking at a Gun Tests S&W review dated Sept. last year. Not that long ago.

The S&W 629 reviewed was classified as an F grade. Cylinder problems ( wouldn't cycle properly) and cylinder lock up don't you know. The cylinder stop didn't provide enough contact. There were other issues ,too.

The Taurus 444 MULTI received and C grade. Nothing spectacular,but better than flunking the test because of mechanical and function troubles of the S&W.

The press and internet gun forums abound with the horror stories of S&W internal gun lock problems.

According to the gun writers S&W M&P early models had some teething troubles.

Early model 619 and 620 revolvers were also criticized by some of the gun press as well.

Things have been turned around somewhat. Am I to take it that S&W makes garbage guns and not to ever buy another one? No.

That would be dishonest and unrealistic.
Since it know apparent that S&W can have things go wrong, the supposed superiority goes out the window. Poof!

There's even been a spate of S&W bashing going on in recent month here and at other gun forums.

S&W does things well. So do other companies. That's whether one recognizes and accepts that or not.

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Old May 30, 2008, 11:48 PM   #22
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My Taurus needed repair, and I love it.

I have a Taurus M85 that I had to return for service. I got it back in ten days. This was twelve years ago and it has been a gem ever since. The trigger is better than any S&W J frame I've ever shot. Now, I understand that the service turnaround is longer now if you did have a problem, but their manufacturing methods have improved in that time as well, reducing the likelihood that you will. Incidentally, I have a Taurus 607 of the same vintage that is an absolute tank.

I have to admit that I have been interested in Charter Arms' .44 Bulldog, at least I was until I found out that you can't use Buffalo Bore's inhumanly powerful .44 Spl. loads in it. If I was looking at .38's, though, I wouldn't hesitate to get the Taurus.
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Old May 31, 2008, 02:24 AM   #23
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You might hear a lot of crap about Charter Arms, but truly their newer offerings are excellent. I have a new .44 Bulldog and it has held up to some pretty awful abuse for such a light snub. 240 grain handloads at 900 fps are pretty much all I shoot, and the bulldog objects to them less than I do.

My girlfriend's taurus tracker on the other hand didnt even fire properly from the factory.
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Old May 31, 2008, 11:09 PM   #24
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Its like a choice between a mangy mutt and a flea bitten mutt!!
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Old June 1, 2008, 12:00 AM   #25
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Notice the "witty repartee". No substance. Figures.

From what the critical gun writers say either would make a good choice.

Try them if you can find them. Check them out at the local ranges or gun stores. That way what fits you,fits your needs,and what you like are all that matters.

Inspecting the gun closely is part and parcel of buying one anyway.
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