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Old May 11, 2008, 11:12 PM   #26
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Why are guns legally allowed to be pointed at millions every daily?

I have a very big problem with ALL of these folk who carry with these holsters that point their weapons at people.I once had a run in for questioning a Georgia GBI agent about leaning over the counter at a convenience store with a coat on and his gun pointing at everyone entering or leaving the store.He threatened me with arrest after informing me who he was and my saying,"Well you have been trained not to point your gun at some one".He claimed that "it was a legal holster and he could point it at anyone as long as it was in the holster".That did not change my opinion.I informed him that "I would love to have every one of these witnesses testify at my trial".

I see these holster advertised and I think they should be outlawed.You can not wear one without ignoring the very rule of not pointing a gun at others.I don't care about all of your reasoning.You are knowingly and willingly pointing your weapon at me,at others.I have heard the reasoning behind why you need to be a fast draw artist to save my life and others.I say,Bull Manure.

I do not care who you are or your reasoning for doing so.I will make a formal complaint if you point a gun at me.I will also try to defend my self by running or any other way I can.I am sorry to say,but I do believe that some Civilian,Military and Law Enforcement personnel get the training that they follow and practice from watching TV.I have come to this opinion from 63 years of observation.thanks,alfred
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Old May 12, 2008, 11:36 AM   #27
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Kind if hits close to home for me... my retired dad is in a circle of older retired guys who are all pilots of one kind or another and meet for coffee & BS every morning (used to be at their small airport until it closed). One of their circle is a loudmouthed ex-Navy carrier pilot who's terribly impressed with himself, still wears a leather flight jacket full of patches etc, who's unfortunately a few beers short of a six pack. One morning while doing their routine ex-carrier pilot guy whips out a pistol of his he brought with him to show everyone, don't know if he has a CWP or not. Then he points it at my dad, and when my dad complained, he pulls the F-ing trigger while laughing "hey it ain't loaded"!

I found out about it months later, and I don't know what I would have done had I been there. I'm not much of a fighter but there darn well would have been some sort of a scene or worse, and I'd probably have called the police on him too. What the hell goes through the minds of some of these idiots? Ignorance is one thing but there are people like Mr numbuts ex-carrier pilot who go way beyond ignorance into Darwin-award stupidity. I didn't realize how PO'd this made me until I just now typed it out.

I got swept once at a range by a guy who should have known better, and didn't make anything of it like I should have. Not next time, "it's not loaded" as an excuse is worse than simply not knowing about the first 2 rules of gun safety since it implies that sometimes the safety rules don't apply to you.
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Old May 12, 2008, 12:04 PM   #28
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What are some of these cretins thinking? The first thing I'da done was wet my pants. Being 6'2" and 280 with no "backup" in me, the second thing I'da done was whip the guys hiney severely with the nearest hard object! Barring that, I'd fur sur have him arrested for assault, making terrorist threats, brandishing a firearm and anything else my lawyer could think of.

Dear gawd, they don't realize how quickly "hey, it ain't loaded" can go to "Gee, Officer, I thought it wasn't loaded."

I'll give y'all an object lesson on this. Back when I was about 22 and working as a security guard, I had my first open carry license, and I wore a S&W 4" .357 mag. loaded with JHPs. It was about 3 o'clock on third shift at a warehouse one night. All the TV stations had long gone off, I'd eaten my supper, and read all the material I'd brought. I was a little sleepy and bored to tears. I was sitting in the guard shack (and I DO mean shack). I had my gun out and unloaded and was dry-firing it at "targets" around the room. I reloaded and reholstered. A few minutes later, I pulled it out again. I aimed at a door jamb and (did you catch what I didn't do?) and pulled the trigger. KABOOM! Damn, a .357 is LOUD in the dead of night! Yup, I'd forgotten to unload it again. I almost wet myself as the JHP magnum shot a hole clean through two 2 x 4s, a drywall, a piece of sheet tin, and kept going, who knows where. After I got my heart out of my throat, I reholstered and left it there! That's the LAST time I EVER "played" with a gun, and the last time I negligently dry-fired one.

These things aren't toys, it can happen to anyone, people. "Let's be safe out there."

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Old May 12, 2008, 12:47 PM   #29
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Ain't nothing like a free gun. Been there.
--Anyone dumb enough to point a gun out of stupidity should be took out and beat severely. Things like that just don't wash.
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Old May 12, 2008, 02:11 PM   #30
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Against the law to "not report" such?

"Everyone has the lawful right to shoot anyone unlawfully pointing a weapon at anyone"."It is also their right to disarm such in any manner available to them"."The claim of It is not loaded matters not"."Everyone is required to report such a flagrant violation of the law just as they are required to report a murder or a bank robbery".This is as near as I can remember the Judge putting it to a defendant once,who did not think he "was treated right from the start because he was drunk and did not know what he was doing".Apparently in his belief,being drunk left him without the obligation of responsibly.The judge disagreed.He also disagreed with the name the guy called him.

The defendant was one who "thought it was right for him to point a unloaded gun at someone in play,but did not think it right for someone to point a loaded gun at him and say they would shoot him if he did not drop his unloaded one".This seems to be the way these folk are.

Then you have the ones who "think it is funny to see just how close they can come to you without hitting you when firing at you!Yea,I have been the precipitant of this kind of fun by a first cousin.He denied it,but I was believed by all who knew me,him or the both of us.He did the world a favor by committing suicide to keep from going to prison shortly after this.It may have kept me out of prison as I had the fullest intention of shooting him if he ever pointed a gun at me again.

I firmly believe that anyone who will deliberately point a gun at someone not in self defense will kill some one for fun if they get the chance and think that they can get away with it.They prove that they get off on making people think that they are going to die.Think about it!

I agree with the Judge.alfred
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Old May 12, 2008, 07:42 PM   #31
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A guy I used to hang out with pointed his 357 at me one time. I took one large step, twisted the gun in his hand, and within a second I was in control of the pistol and had it shoved into his neck. That's when I told him to NEVER point a gun at me, loaded or not.

I don't hang out with him anymore though, and it's because of this incident.


My philosophy is: If you point a gun at me, you'd better dammed well use it. And you better hit me with the first shot, cause you ain't gonna get a second one.
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Old May 13, 2008, 11:08 AM   #32
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Another point to ponder...

"About five years back at my current job an office colleague (not a friend) brought his revolver in the office and while showing it off to other colleagues jokingly poined it at me"

My CWP instructor told us that, if someone comes at you, you MUST assume he has the ability and desire to injure or kill you. That is:

If someone adopts a karate stance, you must assume he's a 10th degree black belt.

If someone picks up a ball bat, you must assume he's going to cave your skull in.

If someone pulls a knife, you must assume he's an expert in fighting with it, including throwing it.

If someone pulls a gun, you must assume he's going to pull the trigger.

The penalty for the wrong assumption is very severe.
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