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Old April 30, 2008, 07:59 AM   #1
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LEO's choice of backup gun

For on-duty backup gun:
Walther PPK/S or Kahr PM9
OR
Any other suggestion?
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Old April 30, 2008, 08:07 AM   #2
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I am not a LEO but my brother is and carries a S&W Airweight. His reasoning is his backup stays under his shirt strapped to his vest so it gets lots of sweat dirt and lint and he believes a revolver will stand up to that better than a small auto.
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Old April 30, 2008, 09:02 AM   #3
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My current BUGS and their holsters.

1. S&W 442
2. Kahr PM45

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Old April 30, 2008, 12:09 PM   #4
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Glocks 19 or 26, S&W 3913, or SIG P239/P6. Most P6's can be had for $300.00 or under.
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Old April 30, 2008, 01:18 PM   #5
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I prefer j-frames. The baby Glock platform, assuming larger Glock as a primary, is my runner up choice.
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Old April 30, 2008, 11:27 PM   #6
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Old May 1, 2008, 12:55 AM   #7
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airweight J frame
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Old May 1, 2008, 02:07 AM   #8
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I carry the Glock 21 for duty and the Glock 30 for backup/off duty. They work great!!
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Old May 1, 2008, 03:10 AM   #9
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Glock 26 is the perfect back-up for me. Of course our standard issue is a crappy S&W 5906
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Old May 1, 2008, 04:03 AM   #10
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S&W 442 or 642.

I carry a 442 as a BUG off duty. On Duty BUGS are verbotten.
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Old May 1, 2008, 04:46 AM   #11
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I thought it would be calling dispatcher and therefore having as many BUGs as you need.
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Old May 1, 2008, 07:01 AM   #12
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or Kahr PM9
I don't think any LEO would have a Kahr when his life depended on it, even as a b.u.g.....
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Old May 1, 2008, 09:05 AM   #13
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How is recoil on SW642?
If SW642, I will definitely get 642 with CT laser grip.
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Old May 1, 2008, 09:23 AM   #14
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I would also suggest a sub compact Glock: G26 - 9mm; G27 - .40 S&W; G33 - .357 SIG.

If you wouldn't mind a little bigger: Glock 29 in 10mm. True Magnum power in a sub compact / compact package, when using DoubleTap ammo.
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Old May 1, 2008, 11:30 AM   #15
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On Duty BUGS are verbotten.
Ditto. Backwardsassmanagement. "Your backup is your 870, UMP, or M4!" Whatever.
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Old May 1, 2008, 12:48 PM   #16
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Do they strip search you every time you put on your uniform? If not, then... you know what I'd suggest, so I'll not say it in this post. . . *wink*

They'll not find out until it saved your life because your primary jammed in the middle of a fight for your life. So, they find out after that, who cares then? You're alive, they fire you (that'd be the most absurd part of it), but you get to have the chance of simply getting another job... rather than sitting in a grave 6 feet under the ground.

Shhhhhhhhhhh! Don't ask, don't tell.

P.S. nemoaz, your sig quote is so incorrect, I can't believe one'd actually believe such BS.
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Old May 1, 2008, 01:29 PM   #17
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I am compelled to defend the Kahr PM9. They are reliable. I bought one for my wife to carry, and before I let her carry it I shot 1,000 rounds through it without one single burp of any kind with all sorts of ammunition. I have many LEO friends who carry them every day.
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Old May 1, 2008, 02:19 PM   #18
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"Bear Arms or Wear Chains"

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Old May 1, 2008, 03:01 PM   #19
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As new owner of a Kahr CW9, I am offended about the remark about the Kahr. This is just blatantly stated, without any supporting evidence. Everything I've heard or read is that Kahr is frequent selection as a BUG by LEO. If the poster's comments are specifically limited to the PM9, that changes the scenario.

I actually prefer the Kahr CW9 over the J-frame, so that's saying something!
However, as a BUG, I would select the J-frame over the Kahr, because the Kahr would be my primary!

I don't carry a bug anyway. The only advantage my 442 may have over my Kahr CW9 is that it's more concealable. In all other respects, the Kahr wins out handily. I'm not concerned about reliability differences between the two. I hope this puts the poster 'Maggieeeeeyahr' in his place!
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Old May 1, 2008, 03:23 PM   #20
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friends that are LEO's carry Glock 27, XD.40 subcompact,S&W J frame,Kel-tec P3AT
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Old May 1, 2008, 03:59 PM   #21
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Who would ever want to carry that heavy, bulky XD-40 sc as a backup?
GGGGeeeeesssssshhhhhhh... J-frame (Airweight or Airlite) way to go.

If KT is frequently carried, I don't see any benefit at all over the J (maybe capacity and weight and that's it!). That IS saying something, but not enough to convince me. It's hard to beat the inherent reliability of a J-frame.

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Old May 1, 2008, 06:32 PM   #22
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well since the thread is LEO's choice for a backup and my buddie works in the Ghetto he carries a XD.40 full size as his primary XD.40 SC and a J-frame as back ups, 3 guns plus all the other gear everyday.
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Old May 1, 2008, 08:25 PM   #23
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I have a Kahr PM9 that I could carry as a BUG off duty, but prefer not to.

The reason I like a Revolver as a BUG is because, while my Kahr has been 100% reliable at the Range, I have partially ejected the magazine more than once when carried in my pocket. Yes, I use a Pocket Holster.

In the smaller sized guns I believe that the Revolver still retains and edge over the "bottomfeeders", hence my choice of the Revolver. I also find the smaller J-Frame Revolvers easier to draw from the pocket and more concealable. When I have an autoloader in my pocket it looks like I have an autoloader in my pocket. When I have a Revolver in my pocket, it looks like a "lump" in my pocket.

If you carry a Glock on duty you may want to look at the Glock 26/27 if it is for use as an "on duty" BUG. Otherwise I would go with the revolver if given a choice.

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PS: My BUG on duty is the M4 and the 870, and a partner.
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Old May 1, 2008, 11:29 PM   #24
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You can get a stronger mag catch spring from Kahr. Tell them of your difficulty and Jason will send you one free.

I had mine installed by my gunsmith and I'm happier. I think it will pose less of a problem for you if you get one.

If only carrying one gun, and it's concealed, I'd prefer the Kahr overall except for the ease of concealability with the J-frame.
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Old May 1, 2008, 11:43 PM   #25
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I don't think any LEO would have a Kahr when his life depended on it, even as a b.u.g.....
Kahr K9's are apporved for the NYPD off duty. There is nothing wrong with the steel Kahrs and I would surely carry one if I were an LEO...
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