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Old May 25, 2008, 10:48 PM   #1
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Simunitions

Has anyone ever used them? We've used them a bit, especially on convoy ops. It's good training, and a little scary when you think about it. It really puts things into perspective when you get hit with one and think 'if this were real life, I wouldn't be here.' We use them with our m16's, but have yet to use them for our SAW's...

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Old May 25, 2008, 11:22 PM   #2
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I've heard of these before (my chemistry professor is retired Army), what exactly are they and how do they work?
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Old May 26, 2008, 12:25 AM   #3
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Just doing a Google search...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simunition
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Old May 26, 2008, 02:54 AM   #4
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I've used them. Good training aid.

They don't work very well in SAWs. I've never had any belts, and mag feed in a saw is touchy at best. The simmunition seems to feed worse.
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Old May 26, 2008, 07:29 AM   #5
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Used them in converted Glocks, Sigs and M4's for training. Useless and inaccurate out beyond 30 yards. Fine for CQB training.
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Old May 26, 2008, 08:22 AM   #6
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For civilian use, I prefer airsoft since it is cheaper and technically it is not a firearm.
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Old May 26, 2008, 10:01 PM   #7
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I used them in some MOUT training. I felt bad for one guy in my squad. He took a 3 round burst to the fleshy part of his side/back. The simunition went through his BDUs and one lodged in his back. I can't image that pulling a piece of plastic out of your back feels very good! (He was hit from less than arms length from the muzzle of the M4.)

Airsoft works nicely too (one of my hobbies). The only differences, at short range, are that BBs don't leave paint and there is no felt recoil from most airsoft guns...oh, and they don't jam nearly as much as simunition-modified rifles!
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Old May 27, 2008, 12:06 PM   #8
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We used them in LE high risk entry training. I was a little skeptical about them at first but after we did it I really liked them. I think they are expensive though so for a small department with a limited budget it might not be a good option.

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Old May 28, 2008, 08:53 AM   #9
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Yes

In officer survival training as OP4, very eye opening. This was the original force on force training that is the rage today.

It is expensive, the value is that those hits on the range help awaken the "street" instincts of patrol officers.
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Old May 29, 2008, 06:17 PM   #10
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Simunitions are very useful training tools, in my opinion.

I would also recommend airsoft. Quality pistols run in the $100-$150 range, and MP5s/ARs are usually around $250-$300. The upkeep is where airsoft really comes into its own. Three thousand BBs will run about $12, AEG rifles use rechargeable batteries, and gas pistols can run on propane.
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Old May 29, 2008, 07:10 PM   #11
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"Has anyone ever used them?"

Yes. As already noted, they are useful training aids which help illustrate holes in training, tactics, and beliefs about performance in ways that talking about it cannot do.
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