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Old March 23, 2008, 12:35 PM   #1
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Military Shotguns

Watching the Military channel this morning on Ranger Training it appeared one of the men carried a shotgun. They were practicing clearing rooms of buildings. Was this a shotgun I saw or some type of granade launcher ? If a shotgun, I assume there might be some advantage in close quarters.
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Old March 23, 2008, 12:38 PM   #2
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Yep, they will get the job done in close quarters.

A friend of mine had to use one inside a building in Nam - blew out both his eardrums...
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Old March 23, 2008, 12:42 PM   #3
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They use them for breaching doors for the most part. I am sure there are some that use them as a primary weapon, but not many.
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Old March 23, 2008, 12:52 PM   #4
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Sure wish I had a SG in Iraq. Woulda been handy on convoys through urban areas, and perimeter duty, and TCN escorts. Maybe not as a primary weapon- but a couple on the team or one on the truck would have been nice.
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Old March 23, 2008, 01:45 PM   #5
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Yep, it was prolly a 500....I've used one to breach many of buildings and vehicles while deployed.
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Old March 23, 2008, 02:59 PM   #6
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We had 3 shotguns per squad. Used mostly for breaching, and sometimes on BGs.
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Old March 23, 2008, 09:48 PM   #7
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Makes sense in close quarters

I assume it would be a 12 gauge. Would it be a slug or some type of buckshot?
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Old March 23, 2008, 09:50 PM   #8
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MAs & MPs at gate duty have them as well...I see them as I drive in.
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Old March 23, 2008, 09:51 PM   #9
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I assume it would be a 12 gauge. Would it be a slug or some type of buckshot?
Yep, 12ga...I was issued 00 Buck.
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Old March 24, 2008, 01:29 PM   #10
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I just finished House to House by David Bellavia (a pretty good read about the battle of Fallujah, by the way) and he refers many times to a friend of his (another NCO) who carries a Mossberg 500 through the entire book, using it to breach, but also, apparently as a primary weapon. I thought that was interesting.
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Old March 24, 2008, 08:09 PM   #11
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Military shotgun

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Old March 24, 2008, 08:55 PM   #12
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Pump shotguns have been used since WW 1. They have been very usful to troops in close quarters and crowds.
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Old March 24, 2008, 10:29 PM   #13
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Some semi-auto shotguns were used also, by foreign countrys. Often it was a Browning A5. Also, I was visiting with a friend of my dad's, who served as an advisor in the eairly part of Nam, and his preferred weapon was a Browning A5 with buckshot. He said that at that time, some of the the guys were sending back home for their family members, friends, etc to purchase a shotgun and send it to them. He also told me that the shotgun was a better killer then the M16, but he carried both, as did most of the people in his group. They also relied heavely on dogs.
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Old March 25, 2008, 08:22 AM   #14
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WWI

US troops were issued Winchester pump guns, not sure if on a squad support level, but they used them for trench clearing.

They were effective enough that the Germans put out bounties on shotgunners.

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Old March 25, 2008, 04:45 PM   #15
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we had 500s and 590s, 1 per vehicle, 95% in my posession regular 00 buck
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Old March 25, 2008, 05:41 PM   #16
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When I was in the Marines from 88-92, we had a few old M-1200s that were on their last leg and being replaced by Mossberg M590s. We also had a couple cut-down 870s with the top-folding stocks for VIP protection details. These days in the Air Force, the most common shotgun has been the M870 but it is being phased out with the newer M870 modular combat shotgun. The new shotgun is pretty much a Remington 870 but with more of the "tacti-cool" bells and whistles on it.
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Old March 25, 2008, 10:05 PM   #17
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I understand in Iraq the Arab terrorist are plum scared of the 12 guage.
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Old March 25, 2008, 10:06 PM   #18
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Yes the Moss 500 is what is carried, it is used in clearing stateside, but usually only carried by breachers deployed.
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Old March 25, 2008, 10:55 PM   #19
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Both weapons in one

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Old March 26, 2008, 12:44 PM   #20
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Combination rifle & shotgun

That's a cool gun & the ultimate in Home Defense. I've wondered if any manufacturer made something similar for the civilian market

I assume the shotgun barrel would be to short.
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Old March 26, 2008, 04:50 PM   #21
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That's a cool gun & the ultimate in Home Defense. I've wondered if any manufacturer made something similar for the civilian market

I assume the shotgun barrel would be to short.
Yeah, and the one in the pic has the XM26LSS, which AFIK is still considered experimental or might have even been scrapped by now, I don't know.

There is one that has an M4 with a Remington 870 (IIRC) mounted in the same configuration, called the "Masterkey". Made by KAC I believe, but I might be wrong. I'm not sure what's legally involved in owning a shortened barrel, but an 870/AR-15 combo could be feasible, albeit heavy and cumbersome, I guess.

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Old March 26, 2008, 05:20 PM   #22
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A few years ago they had one on the market I forget who made it but it was an ar on top and 12 ga. semi-auto on bottom.
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Old March 27, 2008, 09:12 AM   #23
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I'm not sure what's legally involved in owning a shortened barrel, but an 870/AR-15 combo could be feasible, albeit heavy and cumbersome, I guess.
Probably an AOW.
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Old March 27, 2008, 09:30 AM   #24
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IMHO anything more than a single shot 12 or 20ga attached is too much/unwieldy. The good news is that simplifies things.
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Old March 27, 2008, 10:43 AM   #25
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The Remington 870 MCS (Modular Combat System) is pretty close to what some of you all are describing. It can be used as a standalone shotgun or can be stripped down and slung underneath an AR. It uses a mag tube and not a box mag though.
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