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Old April 8, 2008, 10:04 PM   #1
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Old 22 Training Rifle German/Mauser W625 ??

Hello all,
I recently bartered for an old Vet bringback 22 single shot trainer (German?).
It has a MOD.W625 across the action and just below that is a circle with a pyramid inside and an s in the pyramid.The barrel says Fluss-Stahl-Krupp-Essen. Kal. 22 Long Rifle on the side of the barrel and on the other side is
a crown (B) crown (u) 5.4 MM.It also has a mauser type military stock,steel buttplate a sling swivel on the barrel band,top wood no groove cut in the buttstock for the sling but has a sling swivel on the bottom of the stock.The trigger guard has a sling hole ? and the trigger is very small and curved.There is also a small forward facing hook on the front barrel band.It has a military style sight that goes to 200 meters.It is in very good condition and is almost like a kids rifle as the trigger is very small and curved ?? any help on the origin or period of manufacture would be great.(Addition)I think I have found it to be a Simson Mod.625 as the bolt has 3 pyramids an a S in it.I also took off the buttplate and there is a lead weight inside.

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Old April 9, 2008, 12:08 PM   #2
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I've one that's slightly simular, Mine being identical in looks to a k98 Marked "Deutsch SportModell" with various obviously German manufacture proof marks (can't remember where in germany it was made, and I'm not at home to look).

Origin is most likely German Military, with date of manufacture being early 30's... Like I said I'm not %100 sure about that and Our two guns are definately different makes but they sound like they served and identical purpose.
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Old April 9, 2008, 01:47 PM   #3
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Can't find much about it! Does it look like this?


http://www.hermann-historica.de/aukt...db=kat51_s.txt
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Old April 9, 2008, 02:44 PM   #4
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german .22?

Here is another one. Man Big Money!

http://www.auctionarms.com/closed/pr...temNum=8534375
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Old April 9, 2008, 06:35 PM   #5
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Old 22 Training Rifle German/Mauser W625 ??

Hello,
Thanks for the help.
The gun I have looks identical to the Herman-Historica
Picture.It has the same style sling and stock with sling swivels instead of the groove in the buttstock.The difference with the auction arms gun is that this one has no sling groove and the barrel markings do not have the BSM or the words Suhl.It just has the MOD.625
Circle with a triangle in the center and the letter S in the center of the triangle
This is across the barrel also the bolt is matching #s and has what appears to be 3 pyramids and an S stamped on the bolt.I am going to take it apart tonight for any other ID.I am leaning towards an early Simson Model ????
I will keep you posted if I find out any more.This is what makes collecting
interesting.I just finished researching a neat Kriegsmodel Kar 98K that is listed on Gunbroker
It was fun to learn the history behind it.

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Old April 9, 2008, 07:45 PM   #6
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Simson 22 Training Rifle

Hello,
It appears that I am correct on the manufacturer.I found a few things on the internet and I also took some pics. (Addition)I think I have found it to be a Simson Mod.625 as the bolt has 3 pyramids an a S in it.I also took off the buttplate and there is a lead weight inside.
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Old July 6, 2009, 08:18 PM   #7
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German Training Rifle

I'm a little late in replying to your post. I have a rifle just like yours. Mine's serial number is 195374. Did you ever find out what it is worth?
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Old July 6, 2009, 09:24 PM   #8
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A little late?

Welcome to TFL.
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Old June 13, 2010, 08:50 PM   #9
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I also have a Mod. W625A 22 Long Rifle

I would like to learn the history of the FLUSH-STAHL KRUPP-ESSEN Kal 22 Long Rifle. It has a s in the center of a triangle that has a circle around the triangle. If any one has any information on the history or estimated value I would appreciate the information.
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Old June 14, 2010, 02:27 PM   #10
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Snoopster;
The "forward facing hook on the front barrel band" is most likely what's called a stacking swivel. They were used to hook several rifles together in t tripod configuration so they would stand upright without support. I'd say that probably points to yours being amilitary trainer or cadet rifle of some type.
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Old June 16, 2010, 02:28 AM   #11
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nice rifle, where did you find it?
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Old June 16, 2010, 09:00 PM   #12
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Hitler Jugend (youth) training rifle. I have my father's bring-back. Extremely accurate, even with the crappy sights.
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Old June 20, 2010, 09:33 PM   #13
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Thank you for the information

My father was in the US Army during the 2nd World War. He brought it back with him from Germany after the war ended. My father taught me gun safety with it. It was the first gun I fired as a kid. He is no longer alive to ask about the gun. I hoped to get as much history on the gun I could.

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Old June 21, 2010, 11:44 AM   #14
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They were used by many different organisations. Some are marked by the organization that used it, like : RAD.
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