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Old April 7, 2008, 02:03 PM   #1
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Price on S&W 357 model 19

Just returned from the local gun shop.
Found a used S&W 357 model 19. They are asking $525.00.
It looks and feels like it is in good shape. It still has the original wood grips on it. My question is: Is this a good deal. I have never bought a used gun before.
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Old April 7, 2008, 02:43 PM   #2
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In my area of the country, thats a little high.

A 19, depending on dash number, and condition, and whether it has box and docs, brings around $450 for LNIB.

For an example, I recently picked up a rarer, round butt, 4" barrel 19-7, 98% with no box or docs, for $425. Hope this helps. Regards 18DAI.
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Old April 7, 2008, 03:04 PM   #3
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For $525, it had better be an uncommon variant in DARNED good shape! A few thoughts...

1) The pre-1982 versions (Model #19-4 and previous) had pinned barrels and recessed cylinders- i.e. the back side of the cylinder has little cutouts for each case rim to sit in, similar to a modern .22LR DA Smith. The P&R (Pinned & Recessed) M19s command a premium over the later models. I'm not sure I would pay $525 for a M19 that's not P&R.

2) Regarding the stocks (aka grips), the target stocks (covered frontstrap, widened at the bottom) or combat stocks (finger grooved) command a premium over the garden-variety Magnas.

3) Nickel finish adds value ($50-$100).

4) The 4" and 6" barrels are common. Other barrel lengths (2-1/2", 3", 5", and 8-3/8") are uncommon and command a premium. Few 4" or 6" M19s are worth >$500 unless they're LNIB. (One of my local dealers recently had a blued 4" 19-4 with no discernable wear, just a little dirt from being fired probably a handful of times, complete with box and cleaning kit... $475.)

5) {EDIT} Like 18DAI said, RB guns are less common than SB guns.

Summary: Flawless nickel 2-1/2"-barrel RB 19-3 with combat stocks and original box, $525 = pretty good deal. Blued 4"-barrel SB 19-5 with Magnas, $525 = bad deal. The rest lie somewhere in between.

Furthermore, if you're looking for a M19 shooter and not a safe queen or "Barbecue Gun", I'd stick with 4" or 6"-barrel models in the $300-$400 price range and leave the more rare and expensive varieties to the collectors.
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Old April 7, 2008, 03:15 PM   #4
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Thanks guys, I too thought it was high.
Thanks for your help.
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Old April 7, 2008, 03:22 PM   #5
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If it's a pinned & recessed 2.5" Model 19-2, it's a steal.

If it's a mediocre condition 4" square-butt Model 19-6, it's a ripoff.


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For an example, I recently picked up a rarer, round butt, 4" barrel 19-7, 98% with no box or docs, for $425. Hope this helps. Regards 18DAI.
Of course, all 'dash sevens' made from some time in '95 on were round butt guns...
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Old April 7, 2008, 03:38 PM   #6
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I'll just chip in with my personal experience. My M19 is a blued SB 19-5, 4" barrel, pretty tight lockup, two small spots of high edge wear on the cylinder, two tiny rust specks, one small scratch on the RH sideplate, and Magnas with slight scuff marks but no chips.

I paid $300 OTD including tax. This represents a pretty good deal for a ~95% gun, and I had to shop for a while to find it.

Keep in mind that for many years, the 4" or 6" SB M19 was the mid-priced mainstay of the S&W lineup, and was one of their top sellers. This is NOT a rare gun unless it has some combination of rare features as outlined above. You WILL be able to find more M19s if you keep shopping.
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Old April 7, 2008, 03:41 PM   #7
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Thanks Tamara! I did not realize that all the 19-7's were round butted.

Prior to making the deal, I had inquired over on another forum about this 4" round butt 19. The replies there, were of the opinion that it was a "special run" for the US state department.

Glad I did not pay more for it than I did.

On the upside it is a model 19 , and it has an unusual finish on it. The finish is a semi matt, black teflon like finish, similar in texture and appearance, to my pre lock, PC 586-5 L-comp.

Thanks again. Regards 18DAI.
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Old September 18, 2008, 09:46 PM   #8
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I bought a Model 19-3 a couple years ago. I didn't really know what I was getting. I started putting together a spreadsheet yesterday of the guns I own and wanted to start estimating value. I ran across this thread as I started searching. Based on comments, it seems this must be a pinned and recessed model. The blued finish is in very nice condition with some small wear near the muzzle and extremely little wear on the edges of the flutes(?) on the cylinder and few other very small marks in the finish probably from being set down on a hard surface. The grips if very good condition. It has a 4 inch barrel. The prior discussion gave a vague idea of value for a pre-1982 version but based on this description what would you estimate the value at?
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Old September 18, 2008, 10:21 PM   #9
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Keep in mind that prices very according to region. I see prices of $500+ for Model 19-3s in very good condition but without a box. If you buy them via Internet, then you've got shipping and transfer fees, so the price gets real close.
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Old September 18, 2008, 11:59 PM   #10
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The 19 is indeed ubiquitous, but I haven't seen many of these around.


4-screw S&W Model 19 no dash, shipped in 1959.



Or these....


Model 19-2, shipped in 1965. Looking spiffy wearing it's ivory magnas.

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Found a used S&W 357 model 19. They are asking $525.00. My question is: Is this a good deal.
I don't know, you didn't provide enough info. I just wanted an excuse to post gun ****.
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Old September 19, 2008, 06:30 AM   #11
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Couple of data points for you

I have bought two S&W model 19s in the past few months, both with 2.5 inch barrels and in 98% condition. I paid $445 for one of them and $550 for the other. I have noticed over the last couple of years that these have gone up in value pretty strongly, so unless you have shopped for them recently you might not know what they currently go for.

Here is the most recent one I bought, a few weeks ago:

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Old September 19, 2008, 07:29 AM   #12
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Gun prices vary widely by region and in some cases even by certain areas within a state. Some of this is due to gun laws and some is due to the popularity of certain types of guns for that area.

In California, $525 for a mint 4" or 6" Model 19, complete with box and papers would be about average. That's because they can't be easily brought into the state. If you change that to a 2-1/2" Model 19 the price can jump to $650 pretty fast. Prices in Arizona and Colorado seem to be only about $100 less than California for many desireable guns.

So, depending on what area of the country you are in, that price ranges from about $150 too high to "about right".
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Old September 19, 2008, 10:10 AM   #13
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I paid $299 OTD for a 19-4, 4 inch barrel, blued model LNIB. 2004 price.

I paid $279 OTD for a 19-3, 4 inch barrel, blued model in Good condition. 2007 price.
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Old September 19, 2008, 11:14 PM   #14
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Thanks for the feedback. I lost the records on the transaction due to a computer crash but I believe I bought mine in 2004. I live in the mountain west. It is the first and only S&W I have owned. I didn't pay more than $210 (maybe less) when I bought it from a friend. I've enjoyed shooting it a little using mostly .38 special ammo. Regardless, it sounds like it has appreciated in value since I bought it. That wasn't the reason I bought it but it is good news nonetheless. I normally collect pre-war or wartime FN Browning pistols but I've never regretted this purchase. BTW, can somebody tell me when my pistol was shipped?
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Old September 20, 2008, 04:00 AM   #15
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how is anybody supposed to know when your pistol was shipped without a serial number??
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Old September 20, 2008, 07:48 AM   #16
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Well, I just paid $500.00 for a near perfect 4" nickled 19-4 P&R'd. It may have been high, but I've never seen a seen a nickled one and I knew I wanted it, and so did they. I figure if I get something I want, at a price I'm willing to pay, I got a good price. If it's a few dollars more than someone else would have paid, that's ok with me.
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Old September 20, 2008, 07:54 AM   #17
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The replies there, were of the opinion that it was a "special run" for the US state department.
The State Dept. guns were 4" RB Model 19-5's. Like mine.
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Old September 20, 2008, 08:06 AM   #18
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Sounds high to me. My 66-2 (stainless version of the 19) was $325 OTD, and that was in NY, where gun prices are generally high. Without pics and a little info, nobody can say if your price is out of line, but it would have to be P&R, EXCELLENT condition, with box and papers to commad that price, IMO.
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Old September 20, 2008, 09:42 AM   #19
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It is high

Around here a 19 can be had for 325-350 with some holster wear. Like new 450.

Having said that, I rarely tell someone not to buy a model 19. They are wonderful revolvers.
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Old September 20, 2008, 09:58 AM   #20
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"how is anybody supposed to know when your pistol was shipped without a serial number??"

Uhhh... Good point! SN = K987686.
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Old September 21, 2008, 04:52 AM   #21
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K987xxx was manufactured in 1970.

38 years old.
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Old September 21, 2008, 09:06 AM   #22
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My 66-2 (stainless version of the 19) was $325 OTD, and that was in NY, where gun prices are generally high.
True, but in most places it seems like a blued 19 or 15 will have a $100 advantage or more on a 66 or 67. Folks want what they can't get anymore.

I think Model 19's are a little overinflated in a lot of markets at the moment, but as with any vintage or collectable gun, the saying goes that "you can't pay too much, you can only buy too soon". If someone had told me as recently as five or six years ago that a nice Model 10 could fetch three bills or more, I'd have laughed at them...
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Old September 21, 2008, 12:46 PM   #23
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If you want it, it's in good mechanical shape and you can afford it then buy it. S&W isn't making any more Model 19's. Every once in awhile I've been known to pay out for a firearm that I really want with no haggling. Sometimes you have to do that. If you're looking for a .357 magnum everyday revolver buy a Ruger or one of the new Smiths. But if you are a collector or a gatherer then pay it. I would.
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