4X too much for a Scout Scope?

amprecon · March 16, 2008, 03:24 PM

Would a 4X power magnification be too much for a scout scope?

wjkuleck · March 16, 2008, 03:48 PM

I would say so. You use the Scout Scope with both eyes open, and I think that the difference between 1x in one eye and 4x in the other would be a little tough for the brain to process.

No offense

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However, if it works for you, who am I to quibble?

Regards,

Walt

sholling · March 16, 2008, 03:52 PM

I've been researching this and it seems like 1.5-2.5x seem to be the most popular. Another possibility is a 2-6 variable. Leaving it at 2x, and reserving high magnification for rare long shots.

amprecon · March 16, 2008, 07:41 PM

Yes it does, the 2 - 2.75 powers do seem to reign supreme. I was considering the possibility of a 4X power being too much of a difference to actually inhibit it's ability for quick target acquisition.
BTW wjkuleck, that's a sweet setup on that M1A, which red dot is that? That setup looks a little high, how does it work for you?

wjkuleck · March 16, 2008, 07:52 PM

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BTW wjkuleck, that's a sweet setup on that M1A, which red dot is that? That setup looks a little high, how does it work for you?

That was a quick mock-up for photography; the Aimpoint (for that's what it is) ARMS mount still had the spacer for co-registration on the FAR-15 off which I pulled the Aimpoint & mount. Even without the spacer & thus the lower mount height you'd probably want a little comb riser for comfort. Neither the M14 nor the M1 were really intended to be scoped.

Now, with something like this for the M14, with its adjustable comb & FAR-15 sight line, it's a different story:

Best regards,

Walt

ClarkEMyers · March 17, 2008, 10:24 PM

Most of the world apparently thinks so - hard to find a 4X scout scope.

I have a couple of the Steyr rifles with Leupold made 2 and a fraction scopes that work for me. Burris offers a variable with Scout eye relief for those who want the option. I'm inclined to agree with Jim Carmichel's (? spelling) long ago observation that a generation who grew up with scopes would be more comfortable with higher powers than their parents and so might find the oft repeated warnings against too much power a tad strong - but he was talking about using a 6X where earlier writers had suggested nothing more than a 4X - I'd suggest if you want a 4X you don't really want a scout scope but if it works for you who am I to say no.

amprecon · March 18, 2008, 12:55 PM

I was not relegating myself to only "scout" scopes, whereas there are many who use the handgun scopes for their scout rifles and have had good results as I have read, but not so much about what power they're using.

Redneckrepairs · March 18, 2008, 04:36 PM

On my Savage scout i have a cheap nc star 2x7 pistol scope and so far it works well tho i normally run it at 2x. On a " sputnic scout " i just got built up ( a mosin m44 ) i currently have a red dot with no magnification . On the enfield scout i sold i had a fixed 4x pistol scope . I have to say that 4x is about max for a scout , and in this case less would be more . If a 4x scope is what you have by all means use it , however realize that you will either get neither fish nor fowl nor the utility of a scout rifle . The scope on a scout * should * put the aiming point and the eye on a single plain of sight nothing more or less . IMHO its a hunting rifle not a tac sniper . It is to shoot " minute of game " first time every time from muzzle to 400 yards or so and nothing more and nothing less . The scout isnt a sniper , it isnt a plinker , it is an all around rifle and with that in mind it does not need nor is it an advantage to have magnification to speak of ( on my .308 it gets turned up to 7x to shoot prarie dogs ect.. which is well out of the rifles dutys ).

Bond007 · March 18, 2008, 08:35 PM

I have had a Leupold 4x handgun scope on my M1A scout for years. It works great, is accurate for longer shots and has held up to recoil well.

It's on Leupold's detachable rings, so I can remove it and put on a red dot or just use the iron sights. It's a set up which I feel optimal and works quite well.

M

Boris Bush · March 18, 2008, 10:41 PM

I shoot 4x regular mounted scopes on a couple of my guns and I tend to shoot both eyes open all the time.

For me a 4x scout scope would just be mounted farther forward....

Bogie · March 18, 2008, 11:20 PM

Most "scout" scopes are basically just handgun scopes.

More than a coupla-x = too darn much vibration to see, unless you've got the sucker rested on something.

March 16, 2008, 03:24 PM	#1
amprecon Senior Member Join Date: November 5, 1999 Location: Marysville, WA Posts: 651	4X too much for a Scout Scope? Would a 4X power magnification be too much for a scout scope?

March 16, 2008, 03:48 PM	#2
wjkuleck Senior Member Join Date: March 13, 2007 Location: Ohio, USA Posts: 1,219	I would say so. You use the Scout Scope with both eyes open, and I think that the difference between 1x in one eye and 4x in the other would be a little tough for the brain to process. No offense . However, if it works for you, who am I to quibble? Regards, Walt __________________ Author, NEW! The M1911 Complete Owner's Guide The M14 and M1 Garand Complete Assembly Guides The M1 Garand Complete Assembly Guide The AR-15 Complete Assembly and (New 4th Edition) Owner's Guides

March 16, 2008, 03:52 PM	#3
sholling Senior Member Join Date: May 19, 1999 Location: Hemet (middle of nowhere) California Posts: 4,252	I've been researching this and it seems like 1.5-2.5x seem to be the most popular. Another possibility is a 2-6 variable. Leaving it at 2x, and reserving high magnification for rare long shots. __________________ Proud Life Member: National Rifle Association, California Rifle & Pistol Association, and the Second Amendment Foundation. Annual Member: Revolutionary War Veterans Association (Project Appleseed) and the Madison Society.

March 17, 2008, 10:24 PM	#6
ClarkEMyers Senior Member Join Date: November 13, 2004 Location: PacWest Posts: 455	Most of the world apparently thinks so - hard to find a 4X scout scope. Most of the world apparently thinks so - hard to find a 4X scout scope. I have a couple of the Steyr rifles with Leupold made 2 and a fraction scopes that work for me. Burris offers a variable with Scout eye relief for those who want the option. I'm inclined to agree with Jim Carmichel's (? spelling) long ago observation that a generation who grew up with scopes would be more comfortable with higher powers than their parents and so might find the oft repeated warnings against too much power a tad strong - but he was talking about using a 6X where earlier writers had suggested nothing more than a 4X - I'd suggest if you want a 4X you don't really want a scout scope but if it works for you who am I to say no.

March 18, 2008, 11:20 PM	#11
Bogie Senior Member Join Date: June 6, 2000 Location: Job hunting on the road... Posts: 3,828	Most "scout" scopes are basically just handgun scopes. More than a coupla-x = too darn much vibration to see, unless you've got the sucker rested on something. __________________ Job hunting, but helping a friend out at www.vikingmachineusa.com - and learning the finer aspects of becoming a precision machinist. And making the world's greatest bottle openers!

March 16, 2008, 07:41 PM	#4
amprecon Senior Member Join Date: November 5, 1999 Location: Marysville, WA Posts: 651	Yes it does, the 2 - 2.75 powers do seem to reign supreme. I was considering the possibility of a 4X power being too much of a difference to actually inhibit it's ability for quick target acquisition. BTW wjkuleck, that's a sweet setup on that M1A, which red dot is that? That setup looks a little high, how does it work for you?

March 18, 2008, 12:55 PM	#7
amprecon Senior Member Join Date: November 5, 1999 Location: Marysville, WA Posts: 651	I was not relegating myself to only "scout" scopes, whereas there are many who use the handgun scopes for their scout rifles and have had good results as I have read, but not so much about what power they're using.

March 18, 2008, 04:36 PM	#8
Redneckrepairs Senior Member Join Date: March 9, 2006 Posts: 656	On my Savage scout i have a cheap nc star 2x7 pistol scope and so far it works well tho i normally run it at 2x. On a " sputnic scout " i just got built up ( a mosin m44 ) i currently have a red dot with no magnification . On the enfield scout i sold i had a fixed 4x pistol scope . I have to say that 4x is about max for a scout , and in this case less would be more . If a 4x scope is what you have by all means use it , however realize that you will either get neither fish nor fowl nor the utility of a scout rifle . The scope on a scout * should * put the aiming point and the eye on a single plain of sight nothing more or less . IMHO its a hunting rifle not a tac sniper . It is to shoot " minute of game " first time every time from muzzle to 400 yards or so and nothing more and nothing less . The scout isnt a sniper , it isnt a plinker , it is an all around rifle and with that in mind it does not need nor is it an advantage to have magnification to speak of ( on my .308 it gets turned up to 7x to shoot prarie dogs ect.. which is well out of the rifles dutys ).

March 18, 2008, 08:35 PM	#9
Bond007 Senior Member Join Date: December 29, 2005 Location: San Francisco, Ca Posts: 316	I have had a Leupold 4x handgun scope on my M1A scout for years. It works great, is accurate for longer shots and has held up to recoil well. It's on Leupold's detachable rings, so I can remove it and put on a red dot or just use the iron sights. It's a set up which I feel optimal and works quite well. M

March 18, 2008, 10:41 PM	#10
Boris Bush Junior member Join Date: September 7, 2007 Posts: 921	I shoot 4x regular mounted scopes on a couple of my guns and I tend to shoot both eyes open all the time. For me a 4x scout scope would just be mounted farther forward....