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Old September 11, 2008, 08:51 PM   #51
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I am in the process of filling out the pistol permit for suffolk county. It says, "has anyone in your household been convicted of a felony or serious offense". Do they do background checks on your significant other? Thank you for any information you can provide me. I do not want to get denied because of a mistake that someone else made. My record is squeaky clean!
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Old September 12, 2008, 12:02 AM   #52
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SCPD will do an extensive background check on you. As for your significant other, I don't know. But I have heard stories of the PD calling neighbors and coworkers, so it's certainly possible. The best advice is this: be completely honest. If your record is squeaky clean, you shouldn't have anything to worry about. If something catches the investigator's eye, you'll probably get the chance to explain it during the interview. Better to be upfront, though, than to have them question you about not mentioning it.
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Old September 12, 2008, 08:39 AM   #53
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1. Lying or omitting is going to result in a denial or revocation faster than anything. Of course if you have someone in your household who "has anyone in your household been convicted of a felony or serious offense" you are probably going to be denied as well. They will use the excuse that they cannot risk that person gaining access to your guns. The best hope is that the felony was a :Martha Stuart" type white collar crime. Your only other hope would be a record from long ago and that you can prove to them how you will secure the weapon so it will be absolutely useless in any emergency and unobtainable by the person in question.

2. They may, they may not run a check on other. They did as recently as 5 years ago call the house to speak with your significant other about giving you a permit. If they say no then you are out of luck and they will refuse to tell you the real reason to protect that person. 20+ years ago I know for a fact they called neighbors as well to ask if they thought you should have one. (For those in Free America this is to simply OWN a handgun!)

3. They open every record on you, even juvenile. If you have a juvenile and "hide it" they will decline you for lying.

4. NY sucks big time and the last time I went in the SCPD pistol dept. they had a sign explaining how owning a handgun is not a COTUS right but a privilege in NYS. Hopefully they have removed it post Heller but I doubt it. You are dealing with the rubber gun patrol.
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Old September 12, 2008, 04:49 PM   #54
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Basically the offense is a class A misdemeanor from 10 years ago. the person in question has been background checked and cleared for government employment (a four month process) and does not have a restriction from being on premises of a firearm. I figure if they deny me because of it, I will appeal. I just don't want to have to hire a lawyer, but I will if I have to.
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Old October 24, 2008, 09:39 PM   #55
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Hi all, I have a couple of questions regarding applying for a Suffolk County Pistol Permit, and have noticed that there has been some really good information offered here that is generally not available elsewhere.

1. A coworker and I are interested in applying at the same time, is it ok if we use some of the same people as personal references? The folks we'll list as references will otherwise qualify, ie they aren't related to us, are Suffolk County residents and have known us for more than a year.

2. Both of us filed Chapter 13 bankruptcy, my friend about three years ago, and I did a year ago. There's nothing delinquent on either of us, and in my case there were mitigating circumstances which prompted filing. Will this cause either of us to likely be denied?

Other than these concerns, we have no other "issues". No arrests, no moving violations, happy homes with spouses supporting our decision to apply, etc.

Thanks in advance for the help!
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Old October 25, 2008, 12:58 AM   #56
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Ox,

You should be good to go. Don't use one another as references, and don't use family members or law enforcement officers. Other than that, you should be fine. If you can use a different set of people to be safe, it wont hurt. But I can't imagine it being a problem if you have overlapping refs.

As far as the chap 13, there shouldn't be a problem. Just be honest about everything. You'll have a chance to explain during the inteview, if they want to know anythign more. But I don't think there is any place that you have to declare that on the app. So unless anyone knows better, I'd say you're set. You will likely have to wait the entire 6 months (to the day). But go for it!
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Old October 25, 2008, 04:56 AM   #57
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It's amazing how it always takes six months to get the license, which by amazing coincidence is supposedly the legal limit they are allowed without notifying the applicant the reason for the delay.

I wonder how many months they sit on them?
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Old November 7, 2008, 10:13 AM   #58
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Denied yesterday :(

I was denied yesterday for a Suffolk County hangun permit in Suffolk County based on two warrents in 1998 and 1999 based on not paying a speeding ticket. Funny, because I included a notarized copy of my DMV license absract showing everything. All fractions occurred prior to being married and owning a home.

My license to date is clean and I havent received any points on my license for over 18 months!

They also denied me due to stating that and I quote:
"Further, your extensive history of Vehicle and Traffic Law violations cast grave doubt upon your fitness to possess a Pistol License. Your driving record shows you to be a persistent violater of the laws of this state and demostrates a lack of compliance with the rules and regualations of another licensing agency".

I need to contact an attorney. DO I have a chance? I heard that if you appeal this through Supreme Court I will get my permit?

Let me know your thoughts.
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Old November 7, 2008, 11:18 AM   #59
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I'm no expert but if you have multiple speeding tickets that went unpaid with arrest warrants issued, as well as other traffic infractions that when viewed as a whole paint you as someone who has been less than responsible in your past I think you have NO chance. They have a wide latitude to grant or deny and have made a judgement in your case based on past behavior. I think a court would agree with them.

I'm not a lawyer, so it couldn't hurt to contact one specializing in licensing issues and get their thoughts.
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Old November 8, 2008, 05:08 PM   #60
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Im going to seek a lawyer..

Its my right as an American to bear arms.
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Old November 9, 2008, 01:38 AM   #61
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How much can you afford?

New York is not a "shall issue" state. You can get an attorney and fight it (appeal is a better word), but the bottom line is that they have the law on their side.

Your own record works against you here. You have a pattern (as far as they can see) of flouting authority. You may not have done anything wrong in the past ten years, but all they know from your record is that you haven't been caught doing something wrong in the past 10 years.

Sure, you have a right to bear arms, but you still have to live within the existing system. And the New York system is stacked against you, because of your behavior in the past. You (actually your lawyer) will have to proove to the bureaucrats that you are (and have been for the past decade) a good responsible citizen. It is going to be an uphill fight.

Unfair as it is, they are within the law to deny you. You could wind up spending thousands of $ and still losing. A good lawyer will tell you if you have a chance or not. A bad one will take your case (and your money) knowing you will lose in the end.

You need to decide just how important it is to you. New York law allows them to be as arbitrary as they want to be. They have a pattern, what you have to do is find some way to convince them that you are not the same guy anymore, and can be trusted. Good Luck.

I moved out of New York a long time ago. You might be better off if you could do the same.
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Old November 12, 2008, 01:36 PM   #62
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help obtaining a permit

Hi all:

I'm new here. I want to try and get a handgun permit in Eastern Suffolk (Riverhead) but I cannot figure out where to begin. The SCPD has their permits for the western towns.

Do I have to actually go to the Sheriff's office and request an application? Do I purchase the gun I want first and have the dealer hold it??



Thanks in advance!
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Old November 12, 2008, 02:14 PM   #63
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Welcome Binney! Great to see that more LIers are looking to get their permits. You can call this number for more info: 631-852-2233. That's the Sheriff's office. Sgt. Frederick Leute is the head of the pistol licensing section, and I imagine you can ask to speak to him. Good luck--let us know how it turns out!
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Old November 12, 2008, 04:52 PM   #64
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Heres are really simple idea folks,


MOVE.

there is nothing there that is worth warm spit, the state hates you, the county hates you, and place is rotten to the core, move someplace nice, where as an American Citizen you are treated with the respect you deserve.

Here in Minnesota, we walk up, pay our money and get a permit in a few days, Many states, they run the check while you wait. Why put up with that crap you are being fed. NYC sucks, always has, I had to spend 7 months there on an internship many years ago, and it was like a jail term, I was literally x'ing off the days till I was back in Free America.

There are WAY better places to live all over America. Try it out.
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Old November 17, 2008, 02:13 PM   #65
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Dear Mr. guntotin'

While moving may be all well and good for you, it is not for me. New York has been home to my family since before the Revolutionary War...I'm not giving up without a fight!

In any case, I did contact the Sheriff's Office. I must go in to pick up the application. SOme questions:

1. will they ask me what type of permit I am looking for?
2. will they ask me why I want it?

If so, what do I say? I'd like a full carry permit but I have no basis for the request other than I drive to and from Binghamton NY alone on a more than occasional basis.

Do I say I want it for target shooting and hunting???

Thanks for any help you can offer!
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Old November 17, 2008, 02:46 PM   #66
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Binney,

They will ask you what type of permit you are after. I believe the choices currently available in the eastern towns are: sportsman, business, and retired law enforcement officer. From the choices, it seems unlikely that a full carry will be possible. If you were in the one of the western towns, an unrestricted carry would definitely be impossible; in the eastern towns, I've heard some say that it comes down to who you know--but I'm sure they're hard, if not impossible, to get.

I wasn't asked by SCPD why I wanted my permit, but you might be. Perhaps others here can chime in on how to answer. On other state's CCW applications, I have always answered "all legal purposes." But--not sure what they would want to hear out here. Target shooting and hunting would likely be a good answer when applying for a sportsmans permit. Good luck, and please keep us updated on how it's going!
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Old November 17, 2008, 03:00 PM   #67
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If you were in the one of the western towns, an unrestricted carry would definitely be impossible; in the eastern towns, I've heard some say that it comes down to who you know--but I'm sure they're hard, if not impossible, to get.
Business is far easier to get in the eastern towns of SC than in the western. "Politics" helps in the eastern towns.

If you want put down full carry, they can always correct it to Sportsman. I would fill out a second set of papers though just to be ready...

Dear guntotin_fool,

Your analysis of how "free" MN is is pretty funny. I have been in Minneapolis when the leftists were marching through the streets and I have heard plenty of outcry against CCW in MN. I believe you have many places posted as well, at least every business I ever visited while there, and not just in the Twin Cities.

You know nothing of NY. Seven months in NYC seems to have convinced you NYC is the sum of NYS. By that logic then Minneapolis is the sum of MN; wouldn't you agree? Hopefully your time in NYC at least taught you to appreciate good food as opposed to the Wonderbread texture bagels and use of Ketchup as steak sauce which I have seen far too often in MN.
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Old November 17, 2008, 04:21 PM   #68
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+1 Musketeer.

It is SO tiring to read the same trite response to "move" that inevitably shows up in threads like this discussing local issues. For the life of me, I couldn't think of one reason I would want to live in MN which in case you haven't noticed is moving so far and fast to the left you better watch YOUR gun rights, nevermind worrying about New York. Good Lord, Al Franken as a senator?
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Old November 17, 2008, 04:29 PM   #69
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agreed. I have plenty of issues with this state but a blanket statement of
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there is nothing there that is worth warm spit, the state hates you, the county hates you, and place is rotten to the core, move someplace nice, where as an American Citizen you are treated with the respect you deserve.
is out of line. We may have issues with our gov't here and many of the population but statements that there is NOTHING here worth warm spit is insulting to me personally and many others here. We know our problems in this state and I would wager we go through a hell of a lot more hoops to practice our rights than someone like guntotin_fool.
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Old November 17, 2008, 04:32 PM   #70
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+2, good point Vip. As much as I envy those in other parts of the country with contitutional rights, someone has to stick around here and fight for them. Moving (not that I want to) might make things easier for the time, but the antis will catch up to other parts of the country (as we're seeing now). Everyone, whether in NY or MN, has to keep pressure on government to protect our rights, or they're going to be gone no matter where you live.
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Old November 21, 2008, 02:22 PM   #71
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Musketeer:

If I apply for a full carry and am denied that but still meet the criteria for sports(wo)man - they will reject the entire application and make me re-apply (and another 6 month period)??

What did you mean when you said "I would fill out a second set of papers though just to be ready...

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Old November 21, 2008, 04:43 PM   #72
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They may, they may not. It depends on what side of the bed the officer processing it got out of. When you bring it in (you are dealing with the Sheriff, right?) discuss it. If it is the SCPD don't bother, just put Sportsman but in the eastern towns you may have more luck.

The reason to have both is to make it easy for the issuing officer. He should be able to tell you on the spot when you submit it if there is no way for a full carry in which case you simple whip out the other set of paperwork and go "Here you go sir."
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Old November 21, 2008, 04:44 PM   #73
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To qualify for Sportsman or woman you need only have a clean record, have all the documentation they require and not appear to be a lunatic.
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Old November 21, 2008, 06:55 PM   #74
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Not appear to be a lunatic....so it 'll be a good idea to leave my tin foil helmet at home when I go for the interview.
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Old November 25, 2008, 12:34 PM   #75
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What do NYS Police recognize?

I'm in Orange County, just north of the Bloomberg City..when I applied for my original license, there were carry restrictions; bona fide range, hunting, hiking, fishing. I later requested in writing to my Judge, a lifting of the restrictions he imposed..my license is now an UNRESTRICTED carry..as far as I know, NYC exception to rule, parts of Albany, parts of Buffalo too....NYS Police recognize 2 types of permits, carry and premise....that's it, carry is a carry...same FBI check for crying out loud...Suffolk and Nassau have become NYC East.. Keep a bag with shooting gear in your car, join a 24 hour range, do what you got to do before the ridiculousness of 'them' gets all over 'us.'
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