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Old July 18, 2009, 07:30 AM   #1676
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Flyfish thanks for the response. Mine has the pinned barrel. Thru some earlier research I heard that Lew Horton and Jovino were doing some barrel shortening for some customers. I wonder if this one passed thru there shop for some work? Any estimate on value. It is in very good used condition in the original box. Thanks again
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Old July 18, 2009, 07:54 AM   #1677
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There are others here who are better at giving a value, but I'd say something in the $600 range would be likely here in Massachusetts where it can be difficult to get certain models that aren't in current production.

By the way, I just noticed you said it has a round butt - I believe all the Model 25s were standard with the square butt except for a couple of special production runs, so it might also have had the butt shape changed, perhaps at the same time the barrel was worked on. I have a 586 that was so modified and it's virtually impossible to tell it's not a factory job. Is the serial number centered on the butt? - that was the giveaway on my 586.

Assuming all that work was done well, it could be worth a premium to someone, though real collectors usually aren't interested.
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Old July 18, 2009, 08:30 AM   #1678
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Looking thru the opening in the Pach grip the serial number does appear to be to the far left side. More space after the number??? Maybe it had more work done on it than we thought. I purchased this piece from the widow of a family friend. Obviously, she didnt know what had been done to the gun. However, it was like new and still in its original box. It still had the string price tag in the box too. The tag said $479.00 I paid her $330.00. I'm feeling pretty good about it right now. Time to visit the range... Thanks flyfish.
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Old July 18, 2009, 09:26 AM   #1679
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Model 1905 Hand Ejector 32-20

I have what I believe to be a Smith & Wesson model 1905 4th change 32-20 cal. 4" bbl. revolver.
The serial number is 1428XX and is marked on the bottom of the grip frame, under the barrel, at the rear surface of the cylinder, on the inner surface of the extractor, and on the inside of the right wood grip. The grips do not have a logo, just the diamond that the grip screw goes through the center of.
It appears to be in excellent shape with almost no wear, a very slight ring around the cylinder, and might even be unfired.
Can anyone tell me the approximate age or even year of manufacture.

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Old July 18, 2009, 02:50 PM   #1680
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Smith & Wesson Model 2 "Army" Revolver

I am a summer intern at a small history museum in coastal North Carolina. I am currently researching a S&W Model 2 revolver in the museum’s collection. Donated in 1967, it came with the following description:

"Used in the Civil War by John Wesley James (b. ? d. 1918), Captain 117th Infantry. Later used while he was in the West gold prospecting and brought back when returned."

There are several problems with this description. Neither the Confederate or Union Army had a 117th Infantry Regiment. After searching census, roster, and pension records, I believe that the revolver might belong to a John W. James listed as a private in Company G, 16th Virginia Infantry Regiment.

To further confirm the possibility that John W. James used this gun in the Civil War, I would like to find more information on when, exactly, S&W made this particular revolver. The production run on Model 2s lasted from 1860-1869, but I hope to narrow the range down further. The serial number is “3297.” I have included pictures below. Any help is greatly appreciated. Thank You.

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Old July 19, 2009, 03:47 AM   #1681
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Intern, the serial number range ended at 29359 in 1864 and 48475 in 1865, so potentially it was used during the civil war. It has the correct two pins in the top strap for an early model S&W No.2. There were unauthorized copies of the Number 2, if it is a S&W product it should have markings : "Smith & Wesson Springfield Mass." on the barrel and Patented April 3, 1855, July 5, 1859 & Dec 18, 1860" in fine print around the cylinder.

A $50 fee paid to S&W will get you a factory letter stating the specifications and address shipped to.
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Old July 19, 2009, 07:51 AM   #1682
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SW Model 30-1

Hello, My wife's grandfather recently passed away and my wife inherited a model 30-1 32S&W long revolver. The SN is H260XX. Any information on the weapon would be great. Thank you.

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Old July 20, 2009, 08:42 AM   #1683
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S&W Model 2-Thanks

Thanks Radagast. That information certainly helps. I don't know if you can see it from the picture below, but the barrel does say "Smith & Wesson Springfield, Mass." I looked for the patent dates, but found no markings. Some bad pitting on the cylinder might explain the lack of any stamp. I agree, the simplest way to find out more information involves paying S&W their $50 search fee, but you won’t believe the hoops that state employees have to go through to get spending approval these days. Thanks again.

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Old July 20, 2009, 12:48 PM   #1684
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Model 29 Born On Date?

a) .44 Magnum
b) 6" bbl
c) square grips
d) 6 shot
e) adjustable rear sight (white outline) and red/orange insert ramp front sight
f) Serial #N791XXX
g) Mod. 29-2
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Old July 20, 2009, 01:01 PM   #1685
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Can someone help me with this one?

629 Classic Champion, Serial Number #CDR7XXX
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Old July 20, 2009, 03:34 PM   #1686
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USNavyFC: Model 30s were made from 1957, the beginning of the numbering of Smith revolvers, until 1976. Prior to that the gun was known as the .32 Hand Ejector (Postwar), the last of a long line of .32 Hand Ejector variations stretching back to the turn of the century. Yours dates from 1969-1970, and it should be a 30-1, indicating that it was made on the "J" frame - previous .32s used the "I" frame.

range_rider13: Your Mod 29 dates from 1980.

WhistlerSWE: CDR prefix indicates November, 1999.
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Old July 20, 2009, 03:51 PM   #1687
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S&W Model 66. Serial #AVU9xxx. Any information would be greatly appreciated!

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Old July 20, 2009, 06:01 PM   #1688
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Model 29 Born On Date?

Thank you FlyFish!
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Old July 20, 2009, 06:45 PM   #1689
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Kentucky Deer Hunter: AVU9xxx dates your gun to July 1987. It should be a model 66-3.
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Old July 25, 2009, 02:42 PM   #1690
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D.O.B. of Smith & Wesson Revolver?

a) caliber .38sp/.357 mag
b) bbl length 6"
c) grips shape square
d) cylinder bores 6
e) type of sights. Adj.rear and fixed front
f) serial #ACL1XXX
g) factory wood grips
Smith & Wesson Model 686 (no dash)
No "M" Modification


Anyone know the production date?
Just bought it a week ago.
Everthing seems to be in tip top shape minor scratches not very deep and grips show wear.

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Old July 25, 2009, 07:01 PM   #1691
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S&W Mod 36

Hi. My parents have a S&W Mod 36 (.38 Special) that they inherited from my grandfather. Could anyone give me any back ground on this particular model and when it was made?

There were two numbers on the gun. One was under the crane (797xx) and the other was on the butt of the grip (J232xx).

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Old July 25, 2009, 09:32 PM   #1692
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KNUMBSKULL: 1983

Allsop: 1973-1974, most likely '74. The serial number is on the butt; the number stamped in the yoke cutout is called an assembly number and has no particular significance. Prior to 1957, when Smith started the model numbering system, what became the Model 36 was known as the .38 Chiefs Special. It was the first revolver built on the "J" frame, which is now standard for the small Smith revolvers. The Model 36 was discontinued in 1999 except for a few special production runs.
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Old July 25, 2009, 10:01 PM   #1693
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Thanks FlyFish....I thought maybe 1982 or 1983 just as a guess...I've only had a chance to shoot about a half box of shells .Look forward to more shooting soon..
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Old July 25, 2009, 10:12 PM   #1694
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Intern: I suggest you go to the S&W forum: www.smith-wesson.forum.com and ask for further help there. There has been quite a bit of research into no.2s by the Smith & Wesson Collector's Association. You would still need to contact S&W for shipping data though.
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Old August 2, 2009, 03:04 PM   #1695
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Model 29 Born on Date?

a) .44 Magnum
b) 6.5" bbl
c) square grips
d) 6 shot
e) adjustable rear sight (white outline) and red/orange insert ramp front sight
f) Serial #N437XXX
g) Mod. 29-2
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Old August 2, 2009, 04:56 PM   #1696
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range_rider13: 1977 - 78. The 6.5" barrel length was discontinued in favor of the 6" in 1979.
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Old August 2, 2009, 06:45 PM   #1697
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Thanks for the info FlyFish. Have a good day!
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Old August 4, 2009, 01:10 PM   #1698
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Another one..

A friend of mine has an old S&W mod 40 (Centennial??), 38 spl, round butt, flat latch, black, s/n 14xxx (no letters). What would be the manufacture date? Does it have any collectors value?
Thanks,
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Old August 6, 2009, 07:49 AM   #1699
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Ignacio49:
The Centennial was introduced in 1952 at serial number 1 and continued in production as the model 40 until 1972 at serial number 30160.The Serial number range started over in 1971 with an L prefix, serial range being L1 to L9861 to 1974 when the Model 40 was discontinued. So just over 40000 were made in 22 years. In comparison, over a million military & police revolvers were produced during the same period.

To help refine the time period (1952 to 1971 being a rather long run):
If the cylinder release latch is flat rather than concave, then it was produced prior to or during 1966.
If the Model number is stamped under the crane (cylinder hinge) then it was produced in 1957 or later.
If the original grips have an uncheckered diamond around the grip screws, then it was produced in 1968 or earlier.

There is probably some collectors interest in good quality Centennials, but values are not high. The Standard Catalog of S&W gave a value of $550 in excellent condition in 2006, dropping to $385 for very good condition.
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Old August 6, 2009, 02:40 PM   #1700
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I got two S&W revolvers that I would like to date and get a little bit more info.

First is a 65-6.
SN: cef-438x
4 Inch barrel
Does not have the hammer mounted firing pin.
I'm guessing that this revolver would be made in the late 80's early 90's.

Next is a 28-? (don't remember the dashed number - I want to say its a 2)
SN: N86847
4 Inch barrel
Pinned barrel

TIA
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