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Old May 24, 2010, 08:40 AM   #3001
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FlyFish i can't thank you enough for all the help you offer to the members of The Firing Line. so I'll just say thanks again. my dad had that gun for as long as i can remember. when he passed away. i could not find it. it's taken me over 8 years to figger out were he put it. do you know what the big S stamped on the inside of the crane. each side of the back strap stands for. also there's a 5 digit number stamped in side the crane and on the inside of the back strap on each side. with a23 in the same spots. this handgun has some very odd marking on it to me.
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Old May 24, 2010, 09:10 AM   #3002
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Thank you for the kind words, breed. I'm sorry, but I can't help with the "S" stamping - perhaps jlayton1 or carguychris (the real experts) will be along with the answer. As I mentioned in my reply to TwankieMoore, various letters and numbers inside the frame cutout, and elsewhere, are generally "assembly numbers" and have no significance. It's possible, likely even, that the various stampings you describe are only that.

Your question about the "S" however reminded me that I should have mentioned that your gun dates from the period that had a design flaw involving the firing pin and bushing that could (rarely) cause the cylinder to bind under certain circumstances (high pressure loads). Guns that were returned to the factory to have this problem corrected will have an "M" stamped inside the frame cutout. If yours doesn't have the M, I believe you can still return it to S&W and have it modified at no cost (you can call to check). I have a couple 686s and also a couple of 586s (which had the same issue) from that period - as I recall two have been modified and the others not. As they're only range guns for me I don't care that much, but if I carried them I'd be sure to have the modification done.
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Old May 24, 2010, 07:05 PM   #3003
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thanks I'll have a look and see if it's had the recall taken care of. i passed it down to my son today.
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Old May 25, 2010, 05:47 AM   #3004
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Could anyone tell me the manufacture date of my 4046? The serial number is TFR17xx.
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Old May 25, 2010, 06:16 AM   #3005
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Thanks flyfish
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Old May 25, 2010, 11:57 AM   #3006
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Could anyone tell me the manufacture date of my 4046? The serial number is TFR17xx.
1991.

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Old May 25, 2010, 04:18 PM   #3007
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Who can lend a hand?

Please let me know the model number and other information (e.g., is it “J” frame, how old is it…)

I’ve tried to follow your information outline, and I’ve attached two photos. This is not exactly what I want to buy (it is not a 38 **special**) but when my neighbor offered it to me for $250, I agreed to consider it.

Information

a) .38 caliber
b) bbl length 3.25 inches
c) grip appears to be ‘round’
d) 5 shot cylinder
e) open sights
f) s/n 1078xx
g) model number – please tell me

Mike B

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Old May 25, 2010, 05:08 PM   #3008
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Can anyone tell me when my new (to me) revolver was born?

I just picked up a S&W 64-5 from J&G Sales. The S/N is BDE5XXX.

It's my first Smith & Wesson. Not bad for $230.



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Old May 25, 2010, 05:09 PM   #3009
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Mike - You have a .38 Safety Hammerless 3rd Model, manufactured from 1890 to 1898 (no model number - those didn't come along until 1957 or so). This general style of gun, with a safety built into the backstrap, is sometimes called a "lemon squeezer." The caliber is .38 S&W (not the same as .38 Special, which you know) and ammo is still available, as are reloading components - I have a .38 Terrier in that caliber that I reload for. Approximately 73,500 were manufactured. Yours appears to be in very nice condition, and if so, is likely worth a few times what you paid for it.
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Old May 25, 2010, 05:11 PM   #3010
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a) .38 caliber
b) bbl length 3.25 inches
c) grip appears to be ‘round’
d) 5 shot cylinder
e) open sights
f) s/n 1078xx
g) model number – please tell me
.38 Safety Hammerless 3rd Model.
Serial numbers ran from 42484 in 1890 to 116002 in 1898.
Caliber is 38 S&W, not to be confused with 38 Special.

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Edit: looks like FlyFish beat me to the draw.
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Old May 25, 2010, 05:13 PM   #3011
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Desert Rat - BDE prefix would correspond to 1989. I agree that's a nice price.
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Old May 25, 2010, 05:14 PM   #3012
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I just picked up a S&W 64-5 from J&G Sales. The S/N is BDE5XXX.
1989.
Good deal for $230!

Jim

Edit: Crap! Out drawed again...
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Old May 25, 2010, 05:16 PM   #3013
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Edit: looks like FlyFish beat me to the draw.
Now that's something that doesn't happen very often!
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Old May 25, 2010, 05:27 PM   #3014
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Thanks for the info guys. I hear it came from the New York City Police Dept.
Man, I'll bet it could tell some stories over it's 21 yr lifetime!
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Old May 25, 2010, 05:44 PM   #3015
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My thanks to Flyfish and Laytonj1

I am Mike B.
I posted message 3008
My thanks for the SPEEDY replies of Flyfish and Laytonj1 (3010, 3011)

I learned what a "lemon squeezer is."

Thank you for your information. I haven't bought the gun yet. I won't until I tell my neighbor about the value that this gun may have. He's a good guy.

Again, thank you.

Mike B
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Old May 26, 2010, 12:47 PM   #3016
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Thanks again!

FLYFISH: thanks for the info. Hard to
believe it's worth so little. I've always
treated it like a treasured antique of course

If that's it, then I'll keep it for now. I just
sold some home entrtainment stuff
for more lol.

Thanks for asking. I have yet to get the
"official" result report, but was told she
was encouraged by what she saw. You
know how that goes... If they let me come
home and all must not be any worse lol.

Funny thing, my grandpa's fave thing to
do was fly fishing. I can remember wearing hip
waders almost taller than me (they were underarm waders lol)
and totally
lacking the patience :-)
for it. Fishing, hunting, camping, driving...
All great memories!

I've got his old Iver Johnson .22 8 shot
revolver. Need to look and see what markings
it has. Thanks again. You know your stuff!
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Old May 28, 2010, 07:48 PM   #3017
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S&W .38 (2" barrel)

9516XX, any ideas on the age of this pistol? The consensus among poorly educated guessers is '48-'54. Is this in the ballpark?
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Old May 28, 2010, 08:47 PM   #3018
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9516XX, any ideas on the age of this pistol? The consensus among poorly educated guessers is '48-'54. Is this in the ballpark?
To give an "accurate guess" I need more info.
Is this a 6 shot? Does it have a modern swing out cylinder? Is the caliber 38 S&W or 38 Special? Is there a "S" or "C" prefix in front of the serial number (there may be an inch or so space after the prefix)?

Jim
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Old May 29, 2010, 01:23 AM   #3019
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S&W .38 (2" barrel)

there is an "s" before the 9516XX

6 shot, obviously after-market bone grip, standard (modern) cylinder

The barrel reads, "38 S&W.SPC.CTG"

I apologize for the quality of the photos, but I hope they help.

Thanks.

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Old May 29, 2010, 10:49 AM   #3020
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could someone please provide me with the date of manufacture for a Model 66 serial number 2K65XXX

thanks, Rampant
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Old May 29, 2010, 07:53 PM   #3021
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there is an "s" before the 9516XX
6 shot, obviously after-market bone grip, standard (modern) cylinder
The barrel reads, "38 S&W.SPC.CTG"
It's a 38 Military & Police postwar.
Serial numbers ran from S811120 in 1945 to S999999 in 1948.

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Model 66 serial number 2K65XXX
1972.

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Old May 29, 2010, 08:26 PM   #3022
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thank you very much, Jim!

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Old May 29, 2010, 09:50 PM   #3023
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thanks jim

the gun shop guys should learn a little more.

Thanks again.
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Old May 31, 2010, 08:42 AM   #3024
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I just bought a 19-6, 2 1/2", blue.

BPC 18**. Date please and thanks for your help?
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Old May 31, 2010, 10:28 AM   #3025
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serial number

I have a 357 with serial number AUE0000. I am not using zeros in place of correct numbers. That is actually the serial number. Do I have the first edition or what should I make of it? Any help would be great.
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