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Old January 8, 2008, 08:34 PM   #51
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Do you carry every time you go out?

Yes and no. I always have my common sense and situaltional awareness with me, almost always a knife or two, and often a pistol. I try to match my preparedness to the threat level.
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Old January 8, 2008, 08:41 PM   #52
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Carolina boy stuck in Cali.... Can't get a permit here for love nor money. Is it worth not being able to buy firearms legally again or destroying my career to carry? Tough question, because my life and the lives of those that love are on the other end of it... Course how much of a life will I have and how can I take care of loved ones if I got busted? Hard to figure why they make it so hard . . .
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Old January 8, 2008, 08:47 PM   #53
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I am carrying if I am awake, including while at home.

I am always amused/amazed by the clairvoyant people who apparently know when they need to carry and when it is OK to leave the CCW at home.
Carry 24/7 or guess right.

I will respect 30.06 posted signs and obey the law(s). We try to not shop at business's that post legal 30.06 signs.
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Old January 10, 2008, 10:31 AM   #54
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to copenhagen, if you can, move out of cali. I don't think I could live in a state that would not allow me the freedom to protect my family. I know that may not be a realistic option, but it is something to consider. And I would write all my respective state and local gubmint critters and tell them WHY.

As for the posted no gun signs, some are just tiny little gun with a circle around it crossed out stickers, that are often posted very inconspicuously, and I just "didn't see those, oops."

As far as the "more official looking" signs that state except as otherwise allowed by law" yada, yada, whatever, does having an official government permit, issued by the state, make ME "otherwise allowed by law"?

And of course, banned places on the list, like schools, ect, I never carry in. That would be in direct violation of the letter of the law.
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Old January 10, 2008, 10:46 AM   #55
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Derius T, plan on moving out of California as soon as possible. Unfortunately, I do not have a choice at this time. My plan is to move back to SC. I have written a few of the state legislatures here and recieved no reply, so got a bit disheartened. I try to do everything the right way, but it seems discouraging when the system is so.. Well it is like having a conversation with a rock I think.
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Old January 10, 2008, 10:57 AM   #56
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Nope, not always. There is more to being prepared than carrying a gun and I'm confident that I make the right choices for my own circumstances.
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Old January 10, 2008, 10:59 AM   #57
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I rarely enter or leave home unarmed.
Me too. If someone breaks into my house while I'm away and then breaks into my safe, which, lets be honest, given enough time (like an 8 hour workday) any safe is vulnerable, then said person will be better armed than me. That doesn't mean I'm going in the door guns ablaze if I find a strange vehicle in my driveway upon returning home. But, at least I'll be armed while the police are getting there.

I rarely go to places on the "do not carry" list and when I do I tend to park elsewhere and leave my gun in my vehicle.
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Old January 10, 2008, 11:44 AM   #58
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copenhagen, come to VA, we still have open carry laws

as for me, I am only unarmed when I'm in bed, unless otherwise prohibited.

For those who are unable, or choose not to, carry 24/7, I can only say I hope if you are ever in a "situation", it's not one of those times you couldn't/didn't carry. I only know how bad I'd feel if I were unable to stop a crazed person because I wasn't armed at the time, and would not wish that on anyone.

I only started carrying after the VT massacre, and put a lot of thought into it. As a Christian, doesn't my feeling the need to "protect myself" from harm mean I don't trust God to keep me safe, as He has for 40 years? And I have to answer that a Yes, if I carry because I'm afraid. But as I thought more on it, I realized it's not so much myself, but those around me who are too blind to realize we are to be our brothers keepers, so if I have the training, skill set, mental attitude, etc., to be willing to save a stranger in need, should I not do that? And moreover, if I were out and about, but not carrying, and something like the kid who walked into the Omaha mall happened, and I could only cower whilst others were shot down, how terrible would I feel for the rest of my life??? That is why I carry. I don't have clairvoyance, and I'll never know when it might be needed. I don't expect anything to happen at home, I have both a dog and a security system, but just is case, I have my gun on me (also, if it's on me, there is ZERO chance of one of the kids touching it) and it teaches my kids awareness and makes them extremely comfortable around guns. I even bought them some air guns to practice with (they are only 9/7/2) at this point.

I am an NRA member and a VCDL (Va Citizens Defense League) member. VCDL does weekly updates on what's going on within the state legislatively, as well as Letter's to the Editor on gun topics, etc., and stories in papers around the country where a gun owner protected themselves or others, or stories of people unprotected and how terrible harm was done to them because they had no preparation. I have to say that those weekly updates have been the most eyeopening thing for me that made me realize the scope of the 2nd Amendment. Even if you are not in VA, if you like reading about government attempts to intrude and citizens steps to fight back, as well as being aware of what the anti gunners are doing, it's a really good newsletter. Check them out at vcdl.org
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Old January 12, 2008, 09:51 PM   #59
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If I am awake, I am carrying. At home or out and about it does not matter.

I do not have one of the future seeing devices that alot of clairvoyant people apparently have - they can predict when crimes are likely to occur as they only carry at certain times. Amazing stuff !
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Old January 12, 2008, 09:53 PM   #60
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Just my two cents worth...people that say " I only carry when I think I will need it" strike me as funny because that sounds like saying "I only try to foresee the unforeseeable."
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Old January 13, 2008, 03:22 PM   #61
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Copenhagen: The whole state is corrupt. I seriously doubt you will get anywhere, but at least you know you wrote them and tried. I really have to give props to Ohio. I wrote a letter to our attorney general, and he responded quickly, and you could tell it wasn't a "one-size-fits-all" letter. What REALLY blew me away, after several letters, he actually CALLED ME! I actually got a call one day, and he was like "Hello, how are you, this as Jim Petro. I have been reading your letters and understand you have some questions? How can I help?"

Those may not have been the exact words, but that was the gist of it. I was literally blown away. What a kick ass AG.
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Old January 13, 2008, 03:29 PM   #62
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I rarely go to places on the "do not carry" list and when I do I tend to park elsewhere and leave my gun in my vehicle.
You know, I used to do that too, then I started wondering that one, what would happen if in trouble between store and truck? What then?

(Like the lady in the Kroger's where my wife works. It was close to xmas, and these punks waited in the parking lot for the right person, and one would innocently distract the person, while another punk would run or drive up and literally rip the purses off of usually older ladies. One lady got caught in her purse strap, and was dragged across the parking lot for nearly 100 feet. SHE WAS 70ish!!!!! The bastards were never caught, and it didn't even make the news! )

Also, I always worry, what if I leave my gun in my truck/car, and someone steals my vehicle? I have inadvertently suplied a criminal with MY GUN! I just can't bring myself to leave a firearm in a vehicle anymore.
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Old January 13, 2008, 03:33 PM   #63
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Rogueone: I understand some of your reasoning as a Christian. But for me personally, I look at it like this, God often told people to take up arms and do this or that in the bible, and I seem to remember something about preserving your own life, unless losing your life would somehow glorify him. I'm not real sure on that, but I will look it up. (And a sword isn't really that far off than a gun, its just what they had available at the time)
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Old January 13, 2008, 06:16 PM   #64
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Derius T:

I agree with all of your comments.

My perspective is the one time I'll need some form of protection, I won't have it.

I recently was doing a kids basketball game, 3-4th graders, and, I was calling a game by myself. I called about 10 fouls on each team, in the first half. A very strong, thick, over 220 pounds, blackman came up to me, one of the coaches for one of the teams, and in a very aggressive manner said I was trying to control the game, and, veiled the threat of physical violence behind very hostile words. I listened, then said,
"We'll start the second half with a technical foul on blue's coach."
And walked over to find the supervisor. The guy followed me, started screaming, and, slammed the ball off my toe.
I told the supervisor to pay me, and, I'm going home. We switched games, and, the guy took off. The irony was a guy famous for carrying a .38 while refing, came into do the next game. He walked me out to the parking lot, but, we had no incident. The ONE time I needed my pepper spray container, I'd decided not to carry it, since I was wearing light shorts, and, it bounced around too much. I'll never make that mistake again...

I've yet to figure out how to run up and down a basketball court with a firearm...
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Old January 13, 2008, 07:51 PM   #65
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Ask the ref carrying the .38
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Old January 13, 2008, 10:02 PM   #66
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You know, I used to do that too, then I started wondering that one, what would happen if in trouble between store and truck? What then?

(Like the lady in the Kroger's where my wife works. It was close to xmas, and these punks waited in the parking lot for the right person, and one would innocently distract the person, while another punk would run or drive up and literally rip the purses off of usually older ladies. One lady got caught in her purse strap, and was dragged across the parking lot for nearly 100 feet. SHE WAS 70ish!!!!! The bastards were never caught, and it didn't even make the news! )

Also, I always worry, what if I leave my gun in my truck/car, and someone steals my vehicle? I have inadvertently suplied a criminal with MY GUN! I just can't bring myself to leave a firearm in a vehicle anymore.
In a perfect world I agree with you. Problem is, this world (and in particular this state's carry laws) are not perfect. I have a choice of either carrying 100% of the time and risking a felony charge, not carrying at all on days I have to go to the "do not carry" places and risk not having my gun at a time I may need it, or risk leaving a weapon locked in my truck, with my truck parked in a non-prohibited place, and have it stolen. Unfortunately I'll go with option 3.
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Old January 14, 2008, 01:52 AM   #67
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But one of the big reasons I do carry is simply the return trip into the house. I have always been very much afraid of interrupting a burglary in progress at my house
That happened to me when I was 11 years old... my dad was away and my Mom and I came back from dinner... opened the door and saw the intruder go out the back door... fortunate for us as I am pretty sure my Mom wasn't packing back then.
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Old January 14, 2008, 02:13 AM   #68
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I carry something all the time, but not necessarily a handgun. A little 2.5" folding knife goes in my pocket everywhere. No one has ever hassled me about it, as they might if I had a handgun. Just a thought.
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Old January 14, 2008, 02:28 PM   #69
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I carry something all the time, but not necessarily a handgun. A little 2.5" folding knife goes in my pocket everywhere. No one has ever hassled me about it, as they might if I had a handgun. Just a thought.
On the one hand, the survivalist in me agrees you should never be without a knife, even when carrying a handgun, too. Absolutely critical for vehicle extrication, wilderness survival, and even simple household chores. I carry a knife almost always, and can carry one more places than a handgun, but there are still many places I go where even a small knife would cause a hassle; frequent flights, the post office, bars/nightclubs, etc. In some jurisdictions, carrying the smaller knife may be legal, but it could be considered assualt with an illegal deadly weapon if the knife is actually used in an altercation.

So I value knives for their utilitarian handiness, but I think the combat effectiveness per "unit of hassle" is much better for a handgun. Sure, I may be able to kill someone faster with a small blade than with a thumb in the eye socket or crushing their skull under my boot heel; and it's faster to slit someone's jugular than choke them out--but the knife doesn't extend my effectice combat range far enough to deter assorted nastiness....
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Old January 14, 2008, 03:59 PM   #70
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Socrates, glad you were able to keep your cool in that instance.

As for carrying while running up and down a court, maybe a well fitting, secure vertical shoulder holster? I don't know, just a thought.

And Rantingredneck, I know what you are saying, but I ignore the little circle with slash no gun signs. (they are often posted improperly and easy to "miss" anyways)

As for the more "official" looking signs, I have asked this question a few times, and wish someone with better knowledge than me, like maybe one of our resident lawyers or Leo's could help out.

The signs in question always have some jargon about, "Unless otherwise allowed by law....yada, yada" or something similar. Well, my question is, does the fact that I have a state issued permit, make me "otherwise allowed by law"? The language on the signs does not lead one to believe it only speaks of leos, as it makes no specific mention. Does anyone have any idea?

It stands to reason that having a state permit makes us "allowed by law", but I realize laws very seldom stand to reason.....
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Old January 14, 2008, 06:01 PM   #71
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As for the more "official" looking signs, I have asked this question a few times, and wish someone with better knowledge than me, like maybe one of our resident lawyers or Leo's could help out.

The signs in question always have some jargon about, "Unless otherwise allowed by law....yada, yada" or something similar. Well, my question is, does the fact that I have a state issued permit, make me "otherwise allowed by law"? The language on the signs does not lead one to believe it only speaks of leos, as it makes no specific mention. Does anyone have any idea?

It stands to reason that having a state permit makes us "allowed by law", but I realize laws very seldom stand to reason.....
The signs and what force of law stands behind them varies from state to state. In NC, if there's a sign, it carries the full weight of law behind it. There are also prohibited places that don't have to have signage to be prohibited (banks, PO's, Govt buildings, etc.) Not sure about where you are.
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Old January 15, 2008, 06:58 PM   #72
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Yeah, I am familiar with the areas that are off limits no matter what, but was just wondering about the signs. Does the wording include us, or exclude us? I will have to call the AG's office I guess, as most of the local police are even less sure of the carry laws than your average citizen.
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Old January 17, 2008, 05:25 PM   #73
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I almost never carry.
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Old January 17, 2008, 07:26 PM   #74
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No. Where I live, sadly there is no such thing as a CCW where I live. I use legal self defence items to defend myself instead of guns. If there was a CCW available I would get one, and carry a weapon everywhere I went other than places where it would not be practical or safe to use/carry a firearm. For example at a job interview I would not carry a gun, but in a shopping mall I would.

I would want a firearm to defend myself and others because of the high rate of preventable deaths and injuries that occur in Europe and the United States.
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Old January 17, 2008, 07:42 PM   #75
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I only carry when

I feel I may be in harms way.
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