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Old October 28, 2014, 03:53 PM   #1
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Webley ID?

Hi Folks!

Once again, someone has brought an interesting gun to my office …





Please forgive the quickie photos. Here are a few details:

- Serial Number 12113

- The caliber marking on the frame is "455/476". The cylinder is marked "476".

- Other marks include:
- ENGLAND
- WEBLEY PATENTS
- Webley winged bullet stamp
- "WG" TARGET MODEL

Also, the backstrap is inscribed:
CAPT. GLYN GRENADIER GUARDS

Any help identifying -- or directing me to reliable references -- would be very welcome.

Thanks!
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Old October 28, 2014, 04:20 PM   #2
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WG stands for Webley Green, a very refined version of the Webley & Scott British Army sidearm. A friend here has one and it gives up nothing to classic era Colt and S&W revolvers.

There is an article about them at:
http://www.nrvoutdoors.com/WG1894/WG1894.htm
and you can google up listings of WG Army and Target revolvers for sale.

The owner's name and regiment are a real treat.
Captain Glyn is shown as a member of the Grenadier Guards Club in 1907 and 1912 although I was unable to find his service history without joining the genealogy site that mentioned it.
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Old October 28, 2014, 07:25 PM   #3
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I've seen Webley Greens going for the better part of $3,000 at shows.

Hard to tell exact condition, but that one appears to be in pretty good shape.

I suspect that it would fetch a pretty penny.
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Old October 28, 2014, 08:03 PM   #4
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Hi Folks!

> WG stands for Webley Green, a very refined version of the Webley & Scott British Army
> sidearm.

So, is it a Model WG? Or a Model 1896 given the WG treatment?

> A friend here has one and it gives up nothing to classic era Colt and S&W revolvers.

I haven’t had a chance to fire this one, but I’d agree with that assessment. The fit and finish is outstanding.

> Captain Glyn is shown as a member of the Grenadier Guards Club in 1907 and 1912 although
> was unable to find his service history without joining the genealogy site that mentioned it.

Which genealogy site?

> Hard to tell exact condition, but that one appears to be in pretty good shape.

Very good shape. I’d say the blue is 80 percent is better, mainly holster wear on the barrel, and everything works smoothly and positively.

Thanks!
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Old October 28, 2014, 08:32 PM   #5
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Old October 29, 2014, 10:41 AM   #6
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Dave, officers in pre-WWI armies usually bought their own sidearms in the official ordinance caliber. So Webley manufactured "high grade" guns based on the official army model for the private market. How closely your gun relates to the 1896 model needs an expert.
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Old November 3, 2014, 02:20 PM   #7
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That'd be ORDNANCE. However, there was no 'usually' about it. If you got commissioned, you bought all of your kit.
Didn't have to be in an official chambering either. Recommended, of course. Winnie Churchill carried an M96 at Omdurman, in 1898.
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Old November 15, 2014, 05:21 PM   #8
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Richard & Molly Milner purchased the Webley records when the firm ceased trading and can, for a fee, research the original shipping destination.

http://www.armsresearch.co.uk/index.html
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Old November 26, 2014, 03:04 AM   #9
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So, is it a Model WG? Or a Model 1896 given the WG treatment?
It would be a Model WG as Webley, to my knowledge, denoted their revolvers with Marks rather than years. In 1896, the official Gov't-issued revolver would have been the Webley Mk. II which was adopted in 1895.

Also, the 455/476 marking denotes that the revolver can fire either the older .476 Enfield cartridge (the standard issue cartridge for the Enfield Mk. II revolver which was replaced by the Webley Mk. I in 1887) or the then-new .455 Webley Mk. I cartridge (despite the difference in nomenclature, both cartridges use .455" diameter bullets). It is worthy of mention that should you choose to fire this revolver, you should not do so with new-made commercial .455 Webley ammunition.

You see, commercial .455 Webley ammo is loaded to Mk. II (cordite) specifications, but the Mk. II cartridge was not introduced until 1897. The Webley Mk. IV, which was adopted in 1899 and not to be confused with the later .38 caliber Mk. IV, was specifically beefed up for the Mk. II cartridge, and even it is marginal for modern smokeless ammo. Personally, I would not fire smokeless ammo in anything but a Webley Mk. V or Mk. VI (adopted 1913 and 1915 respectively). As it seems your revolver was manufactured in 1896 (prior to the introduction of the Mk. II cartridge and the corresponding improvements of the Mk. IV, V, and VI revolvers), I recommend it be fired only with black powder handloads.
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