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Old September 3, 2007, 06:18 PM   #1
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Best .243 Rifle?

What is the best .243 rifle and those that come with a magazine?
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Old September 3, 2007, 08:28 PM   #2
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probably the Browning A-Bolt or the new remington SPS with box magazine
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Old September 3, 2007, 08:53 PM   #3
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savage 99c has always warmed my heart.....bobn
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Old September 3, 2007, 08:56 PM   #4
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The one you can shoot the most accurately with.
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Old September 3, 2007, 09:51 PM   #5
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Win model 88

Was dear to me - till stolen from my house in NM. Basically a lever action bolt gun. 3 lug bolt, 4 round detachable box mag. Sweet.

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Old September 3, 2007, 10:03 PM   #6
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Well, what's our universe of choices with a detachable mag, offered in .243?

-Steyr / Mannlicher
-Browning BLR
-Browning A-bolt
-Browning BAR
-Remington 700 SPS DM
-DSA FAL Predator .243
-DMPS Panther LR-243
-what else?

After that, the question would become "Best for WHAT?" Without knowing more, the Browning A-Bolt is a well-made & nice-looking rifle, but the Steyr (any type) is even better.
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Old September 5, 2007, 10:30 AM   #7
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Another choice might be the Sig Sauer 202. It can be had in 243 as well as other calibers based on the 30-06 such as 308, 25-06, 270. Calibers can be changed easily in a few minutes by changing out the barrels and box mag.
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Old September 5, 2007, 04:17 PM   #8
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While it's true that the .243 is based on the .308 case, I don't believe that either has anything at all in common with the 30-06.
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Old September 5, 2007, 05:27 PM   #9
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A CZ 550 with it's removable box magazine and single stage set trigger is nice and a bargain..and accurate!
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Old September 5, 2007, 05:39 PM   #10
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Lets narrow down the search some first. Do you want a bolt action, lever action, or auto? Are you going to be hunting or paper punching with it?
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Old September 5, 2007, 05:50 PM   #11
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While it's true that the .243 is based on the .308 case, I don't believe that either has anything at all in common with the 30-06.
All of the cartridges mentioned are based on the 30-06, including 308 and 243. Same head size, same rim design, therefore they use the same bolt face (.470"), which is typically called a "standard bolt face", or "30-06 bolt face".
If you get too picky, I will tell you they are all based on the 8X57, and that the US Government plagiarized the Muaser 98 when designing the 1903 Sprinfield and the .30-'03 cartridge.
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Old September 5, 2007, 06:22 PM   #12
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Of course I favor my 1968 Winchester Model 70 (not featherwieght) with a Weaver V9 scope. Three-quarter inch 5-shot groups at 100 yards on sand bags. I load with 85 grain Sierra HPBT Gameking using 36.9 grains of Varget for a muzzle velocity of 3000'/sec. Hope to improve with a future loading of Sierra 70 grain HPBT Match.
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Old September 5, 2007, 08:47 PM   #13
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DWM Mauser 1909 action with a heavy tapered barrel (of course you'll have to live without the detachable mag.).
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Old September 6, 2007, 10:04 PM   #14
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Sauer 202 or Blaser R-93 would be the "best" for quality and accuracy in my opinion, but you need pretty deep pockets for both.
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Old September 6, 2007, 10:33 PM   #15
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What is the best .243 rifle and those that come with a magazine?

The one that shoots where you want it to. Best can be different for everyone. Like a pair of shoes, we all don't wear the same size. Then there's ammo, each rifle likes a specific brand. I don't think there is really an answer to your question that fits everyone. JMO
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Old September 6, 2007, 11:32 PM   #16
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Bolt action - please!
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Old September 7, 2007, 09:48 PM   #17
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If your looking for the most accurate out of the box rifle, I would choose a Savage model 12 bolt action. It has a heavy varmint barrel, and a light accutrigger.

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Old September 7, 2007, 11:12 PM   #18
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All of the cartridges mentioned are based on the 30-06, including 308 and 243.
300 Savage was the parent cartridge for 308 Win, not the 30-06. 308 Win is not just simply a shortened '06.
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Old September 8, 2007, 08:22 AM   #19
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The best? Don't think there is such an animal.

I have my heart set on a Tikka T3 Lite in .243 that will suit my purposes as a weather resistant wolf, sheep and caribou whacker.

It has a detachable magazine.........a very expensive one.

I'd also consider a CZ..........IF they were made in LH.....
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Old September 8, 2007, 11:21 AM   #20
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Origins...

Sindiesel666--you stated:
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300 Savage was the parent cartridge for 308 Win, not the 30-06. 308 Win is not just simply a shortened '06.
Have you got an authoritative source for your claim?

I quote from Cartridges of the World, 10th ed, by Frank C. Barnes, pub. 2003 by Krause Publications, pg 335, Chapter 7, "Military Rifle Cartridges of the World"

Article: "7.62x51mm NATO (.308 Win)"
"For the NATO small arms trials in the early 1950's, the U. S. submitted their new T-65 cartridge. This was basically a shortened .30-'06 case using the same caliber bullet and similar case head dimensions. Case length was reduced from 63mm in the .30-'06 to 51mm for the 7.62mm T-65....This remains a NATO standard to this day."

(Emphasis added) Barnes has similar comments under "308 Winchester (7.62x51mm NATO)", Chapter 2, "Current American Rifle Cartridges," pg 58 of the above cited work.

Need I say more?
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Old September 8, 2007, 02:24 PM   #21
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Smokey Joe...

here's a excerpt from a site

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This .30 cartridge was designed to provide the ballistics of the original .30-06 military round (150 grain bullet at a MV of 2700 fps) in a short cartridge that would work through the popular Savage Model 99 lever action rifle. This goal was realized with the introduction of the .300 Savage in 1920.

The formula adopted in the design of the .300 Savage was a fat, relatively straight case body with a sharp 30 degree shoulder angle and a short neck. This basic approach made the .300 Savage the prototype for today's short action cartridges. In fact, decades later when the US Army went looking for a short action cartridge to replace the .30-06, it was the .300 Savage with which they chose to start experimenting, and the result of those experiments was the .308 Winchester.
and the link to the site ---> http://www.chuckhawks.com/sensible_cartridges.htm


And another one....

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The test program continued for several years, including both the original .30-06 round and a modified .300 Savage (then known as the T65). In the end, the T65 design demonstrated power roughly equal to the original .30-06, firing a 147-grain bullet at 2,750 feet per second, while being somewhat shorter and much more reliable in feeding.
This is straight from the Wikipedia's entry ---->http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.62_x_51_mm_NATO


and one more just for fun...

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...the .308 owes it's existence to Savage's .300. In the early 1950's, when ordnance experts were looking for a cartridge to replace the .30-06 in battle rifles, they turned first to the .300 Savage. They knew it would function well in short actions and that it had enough punch for most applications. But when they found it's neck was too short for reliable functioning in some mechanisms, they redesigned the cartridge by lengthening the neck and reducing the shoulder angle by 10 degrees. This experimental round was called the T65 at first, then the .308 Winchester. The U.S. Army adopted it as the 7.62 NATO in 1955.
- America's Great Gunmakers, Wayne Van Zwoll, 1992


Hope this is enough...
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Old September 8, 2007, 04:20 PM   #22
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Savage Arms still builds a very accurate rifle for affordable price. This would likely be my first choice for bolt action.

Howa makes bargain priced rifles that are tough.

Remington has something for everyone regarding style, options, and pricing. Their polymer tipped 95 grain ammo is the next best thing to hand loaded cartridges.

Tikka makes a very smooth action yet pricing is quite affordable.

Browning has always appealed to the guys who prefer to go deluxe. Browning rifles are certainly attractive and worthy of consideration.

In used rifles, Parker Hale is usually a very good bargain.



My .243 is a slide action by Remington. Some would say it is a brush gun. But this rifle has seen a lot of action on the open prairies of Wyoming and South Dakota. Accuracy is easily on par with the very best of bolt actions. I'm not sure why this action type is largely ignored by western hunters.

Good shooting to you.
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Old September 8, 2007, 04:34 PM   #23
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Enough.

Sindiesel666--Citations? Yes. Enough. I was looking for more than a barefaced Internet assertion, and you have certainly provided that.

I'll meet you halfway: Authorities disagree on the immediate ancestor of the .308Win/7.62x51NATO/T-65.

And I'll give you that the .300 Sav is awfully similar in design to that of the .308.

The .308 preceeds my interest in rifles and rifle cartridges, but not my much. It came about in the early '50's, and my interest dates from the mid-'50's. I recall reading at that time--mid-fifties--in the American Rifleman that the .308 was a shortened .30-'06, but can't cite an article or author at this late date.
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