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Old September 26, 2007, 05:52 AM   #26
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Come on guys Paranoid and prepared are to different things.

Paranoid/paranoia;Exhibiting or characterized by extreme and irrational fear or distrust of others

Prepared; ready to deal with something: in a suitable physical or mental state to be able to cope with something, often something hard or bad


Nothing extreme or irrational about wanting to sit in a chain that allows one to watch the entrance. Nothing extreme about carrying whenever possible if I have made the decision to do so. In fact I would argue that one is foolish for having decided that they need to carry only to carry part time. Nothing extreme or irrational about knowing who is around you.

Amazing how some people characterize being prepared. I have found that these people usually do so to justify their lack of preparedness.
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Old September 26, 2007, 02:50 PM   #27
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Thats it.. It all depends on ones background and experiance.
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Old September 26, 2007, 03:48 PM   #28
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For me...

Situational awareness started in 3rd grade, sucks being the only kid that looked different from everyone else. Always learned to analyze my surroundings and the people in the environment.


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Old September 26, 2007, 06:47 PM   #29
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Well, I carry two 357 snubs on each ankle, a pair of Seecamp 380's in each pocket, and a Desert Eagle 50 in my shoulder holster. I keep a Mini 14 fully loaded with a 30 round mag in my car at all times.
When my wife and i go to a restaurant, if we can't get a table facing the door, then we leave, go home and eat leftovers.
If anyone approaches me, I immediately profile them to determine if they have any criminal intentions.
I know BG's lurk around every corner, bushes, and trees, but I am ready. I am not paranoid, just prepared!
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Old September 26, 2007, 08:01 PM   #30
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Don't think I have ever really arrived at tactical. Went from naive to paranoid to angry to really not wanting to get in a gunfight or any terminal contest.

I run a tight ship here at home, but even on my own ground I aspire to be a 'jonin' the enemy never appears.... the sword is never unsheathed.

So I guess I have never become tactical. At home I am prepared to fight, well equipped to do so, but concentrate on the avoidance of adventure.

If I couldn't avoid the fight or had to worry about my wife, tactical would never enter into it. Ballistic would be more accurate.

Out in the open, no shame in backing down, de-escalation. I will always try to be "invisible" until cornered. Then we are right back to ballistic.

Now my son the corporal, he has been tactical for a few years now. But it's his job. He's good at it.
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Old September 26, 2007, 08:19 PM   #31
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I don't consider myself tactical. I did go out in the woods starting when I was 10 and played cowboys and Indians with real guns and real bullets(by myself)but that was then. I try to stay low key and blend in but if somebody brings it to me I'm going to do my best to give it to them.
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Old September 26, 2007, 08:47 PM   #32
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Interesting elements from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of the American Psychiatric Association, regarding the paranoid personality:

-Interprets hidden, demeaning or threatening content into ordinary events or comments
-Persistently bears grudges
-Imagines personal attacks on own reputation or character that others do not perceive; the patient responds quickly with anger or counterattacks

Now, back to the topic at hand.

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Old September 26, 2007, 11:24 PM   #33
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Carrying more than 2 guns is not paraniod its insane. I never carried that many in combat in the Marines! If i felt i needed more than 2 guns to be safe i would move to antarica. Last i heard not many penguins carry weapons but you never know i would carry at least two down there as well. I think that not eating at a resaraunt because you cant see the door is super paraniod as well. Man life is way to short to go through it looking for a monster behind every door. Thats truly living your life in FEAR!! You are letting the longest of odds control your life. You are a prisoner of your own fears!! I want no part of that world. I will not live in fear that everyone out there is going to try and kill me. I am starting to understand some of the paranoid ones. its not just paranoia its fear! You carry so you dont have to feel afraid. thats not rational its sad
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Old September 27, 2007, 03:46 AM   #34
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Well said kgpcr

Situational awareness does not mean ,see everyone as a threat. It should mean realisticly assess your enviroment, to maintain condition red will burn you out fast and is counter productive to the security of you and yours. Inspector Clouseo had Kato to attack without warnig to keep him sharp. Now thats comedy. It just as comedic to believe one is always a coiled spring ready for action at a moments notice. Bad people look for condition white sheeple a minimal amount of awareness is often enough to idetify a threat. If you see "zombies" coming down the street don"t go see what they want avoid avoid. There used to be a certain bar that I would drive past on my way to point B every other week it was encircled with yellow crime tape I would always ask my buddy if he wanted to stop in for a drink on the way home he would always say "no" . Good choice good grasp of situational awareness.
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Old September 27, 2007, 07:37 AM   #35
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I never carried that many in combat in the Marines!
True.
But were you "out there" surrounded by bad guys (or potential BG's) all alone with only one weapon and a limited number of rounds with no squad support or artillery backup?
If you KNEW you were going to a gunfight, you'd want several of your buddies with you right? All carrying long guns with several reloads, more than likely.

Back when I was a kid, all of the men in the family had served in the military as had most of the neighborhood Dads (drafted) and most of the boys were in Scouts and we all played either Cops/Robbers, Cowboys/Injuns or Krauts and Japs... and you never knew where the bad guys (or good guys) were laying in ambush. (Note: we were taught that the robbers and Krauts would surrender when they ran out of ammo, but never the Injuns and Japs, you HAD to kill them) And we ALL had toy guns for play and real guns for going out shooting with our Dad's and Uncles. Being PC was unheard of in those days where I grew up. But being aware of your enemies was.
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Old September 27, 2007, 02:59 PM   #36
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Carrying two guns

is not paranoia. I carry the large frame .357 mag on my right hip and a pocket snubby in my left front pocket. Once on AMW I saw an unlucky guy who was gripped by his right hand, so that even if he carried strong side, he was doomed. After a struggle, they shot him in the head. Plus, a pitbull may jump you and bite your right hand and not let go. Two guns, one for each hand, is responsible carrying.

I wouldn't go jogging without a snubby inside an extra belly band. Jogging on abandoned back streets, why take the chance? Scumbags like to do bad things when there are no witnesses around, it's a proven fact by now.

To you who returns home if there is no table facing the front door of the restaurant: have you tried trying other restaurants instead of just going home?

I don't like to be in situations where I have to be in code red. I want out of there so I can relax. In a normal crowd during day time I can be very relaxed. Partly because I carry.
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Old September 27, 2007, 04:04 PM   #37
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packing two

is reasonable, but the guy packing 4 or 5 is a little over the top. I prefer to just carry one, maybe two if the chance is available. I usually wear jeans w/ a shirt tucked in, so one is almost always my only option. That being said, I do keep a 12 ga. in the truck. I go to the farm every so often so that gun is a staple. If I wake up in the morning and feel that I need to carry more than two guns on me, I'm stayin home and loading the whole arsenal and I ain't goin' nowhere.
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Old September 27, 2007, 08:58 PM   #38
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Yes i was out there with the First Marine Division in Desert Storm. We breached the Sadam line with little effort because we spent alot of time on the other side of the line to find out what was there and the mine field layouts. I carried my M16, a 1911 and a few grenades. i carried one mag in my weapon and 12 30rnd mags in 4 mag pouches each holding 3 mags. i carried 6 mags for my .45. a bit more than the usual 210rnds carried by most Marines. If we got busted on the wrong side of the line (and we did a few times) i wanted to make sure i had enough to hold the fight. Marines dont spray and pray so that was alot of ammo. As far as code RED. most here have no clue what that really means.
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Old September 27, 2007, 09:38 PM   #39
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As far as code RED. most here have no clue what that really means.
I don't think I understand this statement. It seems like you are saying that we don't understand 'code red' because we have not been in combat. Is this what you meant? Just confused...
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Old September 27, 2007, 11:30 PM   #40
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I am saying alot people here have no clue what its like to be in any real fight. and many would wind up with wet pants if they did. after all was said and done they would not want to talk about it, they would not want to do it again and wonder why in the hell they wanted to go to battle in the first place. Not that i would not do it again, To defend the USA i would again in a heartbeat. i tried to go back in 2001 but a bad shoulder made that not happen. But i would do it with my eyes wide open not like the ingnorant kid i was the first time. I did my job and did it well but it was nothing like i thought it would be. after it was done i sure as hell was no tough guy or bad ass just a Marine who did his job. i am done here.
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Old September 27, 2007, 11:40 PM   #41
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Who wants to be in a gunfight honestly? I don’t and I was in the service. The last thing that one should remember is guns do kill, regardless of nifty stuff ppl talk about like stopping power. The reality of it is you don’t see all kinds of variance in military grade equipment for the most part, one of the reasons is simply human. You should come to know your weapon as best as you can, simply put the horrible reality of ever using it does not have to be some pretty situation in a nicely lit firing line or something. The other avenue is being human will attack you as much as whatever else is, you will have enough adrenaline going in your bloodstream alone to probably kill smaller mammals, you vision and entire thought process might get tossed in some dimly lit tunnel really and thinking might become next to impossible for a period of time in which you basically react instinctively, which is the prime reason for regular training, so you do react correctly or as best as possible.
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Old September 28, 2007, 05:39 AM   #42
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after it was done i sure as hell was no tough guy or bad ass just a Marine who did his job
And most of us here on TFL are fathers and husbands who are doing their jobs protecting the family not paranoid gun freaks. Carrying one gun in combat when you have 50 men around you is one thing. Being solo with a family to protect is another. Police carry backups. Civilians are incline to follow what police do the thinking being that officers know what they are doing.

Bottom line is that I have a job to do (protect my family). I am going to do as good a job as humanly possible. That isn't paranoid, extreme, or irrational.
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Old September 28, 2007, 06:08 AM   #43
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Some people, hell most people, in our society would label carrying a concealed weapon at all as a bit paranoid. I don't agree, but I do consider my concealed carry weapon as a backup and certainly a last resort.

I think that people who live with the mindset that their CCW isn't enough firepower in their situation should probably work very hard to change their situation.
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Old October 2, 2007, 12:03 AM   #44
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My "tactical mindset" has always been that if you look for something, you'll find it, even if it's wrong. Be prepared, not paranoid.
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Old October 2, 2007, 12:27 AM   #45
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Shortly after self-awareness

Who knows?
My gramp was a state constable who taught me marksmanship at an early age. He deputized my grandmother so she could do the magistrate paperwork, and I often rode with them when they were babysitting me.

My pop was paranoid, and grew up in a bad neighborhood. He's not a handgun guy ("I've seen enough of those in my day" is his only comment) but he did chase off a burglar with his 12 ga when I was still a toddler.

Maybe it was just GI Joe cartoons....
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Old October 2, 2007, 10:27 PM   #46
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A combination of many things.

I was born in 1970. I grew up around alot of my male relatives who were in VietNam and became friends with thier frineds also. I was always the little kid that hung out with them. We'd go camping alot together, later , when I was older, I went hunting with them. They helped shape my views of the world politic in general and made me aware of just how the world really is and can be at times.

Also, My GreatGrandFather was a man of nature. He taught me when I was even younger to be aware of my surroundings. I would spend summers in lower Alabama with him and he would take me into the woods close by home and taught me how to truly enjoy nature. How to be observant of all the many wonders that go on without our even noticing. How to listen to my instinct. I guess I began thinking tactically by the time I was 6. Playing ArmyMan or Cowboys and Indians was usually a little different in my neighborhood. We used the entire community as our playground and I always played for keeps.
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Old October 3, 2007, 01:09 AM   #47
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There is sure a lot of slamming people here back and forth, and even some name calling.

All I'll say is this: Be aware that bad things happen to good people--sometimes in the best of environments and at the worst possible time. If you live in this Nation, and have never been a victim of violent crime, I envy you--I really and truly do.

Also, to kgcpr:

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I am saying alot people here have no clue what its like to be in any real fight. and many would wind up with wet pants if they did.
Be well aware, and well advised that there are also a LOT of people on this board who have seen the elephant; have come face to face with their deaths or the possible violent death of a loved one, and have prevailed. There are soldiers, sailors, Airmen and Marines on this board who have seen combat; there are cops here who have either had to take life or have come really close; who have been physically attacked and have come out on top. There are also the regular Joes and Janes who have seen the beast up close and personal.

I guess what I'm trying to say is to take it easy on the generalizations and running down folks. Just because some folks here don't write about their experiences don't mean that we haven't had them.

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Old October 3, 2007, 07:48 PM   #48
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You know i have to post one more time on this subject. the first time i though tacticaly was when my cousing shot me in the ass with a bb gun and i shot her back as she was running away. I snuck all the way back to the house. Not a smart thing to do but young and stupid!!
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Old October 3, 2007, 08:22 PM   #49
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Be well aware, and well advised that there are also a LOT of people on this board who have seen the elephant; have come face to face with their deaths or the possible violent death of a loved one, and have prevailed. There are soldiers, sailors, Airmen and Marines on this board who have seen combat; there are cops here who have either had to take life or have come really close; who have been physically attacked and have come out on top. There are also the regular Joes and Janes who have seen the beast up close and personal.
I have to second this. Some of us haven't been in 'traditional' combat. My experiences of being shot as a kid in a sh*tty town justify my tactical mindset. I can't stand some of these military types who act like the rest of us don't know jack because we don't wear cammies. Remember, some of us didn't have back-up, reinforcement, artillery, or air support when we were getting shot at...
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Old October 3, 2007, 11:00 PM   #50
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I did not mean to offend any one here. well maybe some people. I know there are other ground grunts who have been in battle before and our police officers that have had to shoot it out with people but they are NOT the people i am talking about. I am not talking about the guy who took a stand for his family. I am talking about the guy who shows up at the range with BDU's and combat boots on and acts like a bad ass when you know he never had to saddle up himself. The closest he came to the military is the military surplus store he bought his costume in. He thinks he is tough and the meanest around. He pulls an ar15 out and thinks he is cool because he has one. He has never had his ass on the line like our police officers and military personel do. He never will but he sure talks ****. Those are the guys i am talking about. rambo wannabies. they are just big weanies. I dont hear cops or military people talk like that for the most part. there are guys like the ones who protect our Nuke plants and many others that are great people who are not cops or military. They all live the **** not talk it! I hope you understand what i am talking about here.
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