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Old August 15, 2007, 07:47 AM   #51
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Old August 15, 2007, 09:01 AM   #52
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Sorry Davis, thats as close to your job as they as they get on the MMPI test questions. You just like to fight and fuss, no doubt about that.
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Old August 15, 2007, 09:53 AM   #53
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Ah, so because you are LEO, we can assume you served as a prison janitor then. Good thing to know, provides quite the basis for information.
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Old August 15, 2007, 09:53 AM   #54
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Gazing into my crystal ball

I can not foresee the future of the 5.7, the ball is cloudy, but I do see that this thread will be closed soon.
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Old August 15, 2007, 10:01 AM   #55
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I think someone needs to start posting leo and civilian encounters involving the 5.7 regardless if its a positive or negative for the round. It would help people decide either way.

Thanks to this thread and p99guy i have been doing alot of internet research in to the round. From what i have seen it is amazingly consistent in its performance irregardless of barrel length it is fired from.Something our beloved 9/40/45 cant boast.

From the brassfetcher jello tests i have seen, the rounds(ss195,ss197) both perform as expected with similar results repeatedly. Despite the disparity of barrel length the rounds had a tendancy to penetrate to 9.6" with some penetrated up to 10"+ It also displayed amazing consistancy when shot through heavy clothing, with both rounds in both barrel lengths acting nearly the same as when shot at bare geletin. It was said that most people are only 12" thick when facing you, my second concern is, if the round only penetrates on average 9.5" how then will it reach the CNS, which is in the rear of the body, usualy around the 11"-12" mark. Caliber is not as important as hitting the CNS,hitting the CNS is what ends fights quickly, and the question remains, will this round reach the cns when it impacts at a center of mass shot.

Ill state that i still am un easy about depending my life on a hopped up 22lr, but the more i look at the results the more i understand its concept and appreciate the design. A bullet whose design allows it to perform very consistantly with repeatable predictable results, no matter what barrel length was used to fire it, despite being shot through 4 layers of denim is a very well designed round. Also considering the light recoil and massive magizine capacity up wards of 30rounds with the extenders.

I may have to purchase one and do my own tests. Maybe ill take it hog hunting and let thatbe the determining factor.
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Old August 15, 2007, 12:19 PM   #56
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I personally know of one LEO incident were the 5.7 from a USG hit the perp in the pelvic region turning that section of bone into, to quote the ME "mush"
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Old August 15, 2007, 01:31 PM   #57
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Thanks Mordis, as with anything you have to look at the track record as well
as armchair opinion to get a true picture..whether good or bad. inncorrect information serves no one of either camp.
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Old August 15, 2007, 02:41 PM   #58
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tech question

Trying not to get scorched on this thread

Does the 5.7 use a .224 projo like a .223 Rem, or is it a different diameter?
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Old August 15, 2007, 03:23 PM   #59
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I had such high hopes for this thread.
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Old August 15, 2007, 03:26 PM   #60
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Gordo, yeah its a .224 and even 55gr M193 bullet and 62gr M885's have been succesfully used to reload the cartridge, though of course the velocity is at CZ52 levels and not the higher velocity of the 32,40,45gr projectiles.

lol Zero we are almost neibors...I live a mile south from the Denton county line
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Old August 15, 2007, 03:44 PM   #61
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What's the muzzle velocity on the 55 and 62 grain rounds when fired from a P90? I don't see how the shorter case of the 5.7 would allow them to reach fragmentation velocity.
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Old August 15, 2007, 07:03 PM   #62
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p99 no kidding. I'm a dealer, so if you ever need a transfer done, or have something you're looking to buy, give me a shout. Or if you just want to hit the range. I've got a few Sigs you could try out.
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Old August 16, 2007, 12:44 AM   #63
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Sounds good Zero..I go up to Quail creek quite a bit.
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Old August 18, 2007, 01:28 PM   #64
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Buzz-

M193's and M855's don't fragment, regardless of the velocity at which you propel them. They rely on yaw to produce injury.

We haven't completed any testing on the heavier bullets using jello. Didn't really see the point. All of our testing up to this point has seen the 55 grain FMJBT's poke straight hole's through things with little yaw. We've been spending our testing budget on the lighter weight / higher velocity rounds such as 36 grain Barnes Varmint Grenades, Nosler Ballistic Tip 40 grain, etc. Those bullets reliably fragment at velocities as low as 1400 FPS.

One thing I would mention about the 'brassfetcher' test is the reported velocity and penetration using the PS90 carbine... I have to 'call BS' on their results. Their claimed velocity from the PS90 is what is achieved from the pistol, as is the penetration. Having chronographed thousands of factory rounds from both the pistol and carbine, my findings being within 1% of factory claims, and others reporting the same results... well, I hate to call someone's test results 'pre-conceived,' but 'if the shoe fits...'

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What do I do late at night with my collection of guns that are so expensive you could never afford them? Why, all I have to say is: "What a man, a woman, another man, a midget, a goat, and a collection of very expensive firearms do in the privacy of their own bedroom is their own business."

And for the record, there are a number of public libraries who are open 24 hours to allow the homeless a place to take 'whore-baths' and cruise the internet for kiddie-****.

And, once again, I would point out that you have still to place one single fact in this thread. Not one. You haven't claimed any first-hand knowlede either, other than some little BS statement of "I shot my bro-in-law's last year..." Where are your facts? Where's YOUR research into the matter? As has been pointed out numerous times, you are nothing more than a troll looking for a fight.
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Old August 18, 2007, 10:20 PM   #65
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Since it's pretty clear you guys aren't going to take this little argument to the PM box, I'm going to try and add my $.02 first.

I like the Five seveN. It's a VERY pretty pistol, and I like the *almost*-rifle round it fires. There's one on sale right by my house for $750, which makes it VERY tempting. It's got the "Ooh, Ahh" factor of being pretty uncommon. If I could afford to shoot it, I might just pick one up.

Guys, quit crying. Use the PM box, or the ignore feature.
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Old August 19, 2007, 01:48 AM   #66
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Slightly more entertaining than UFC match!

While reading this thread was only slightly more entertaining than a UFC match on SPIKE....
I did learn something from a few good posts with pics and some links! Thanks for some data as I am tring to decide whether or not to throw down on yet another expensive handgun and hoping there will be a barrel made that I can try my Gemtech can on! If anyone knows of aftermarket barrel for this application, please swim thru the ******* match and post a reply!
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Old August 19, 2007, 02:19 AM   #67
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So far only Jarvis makes an extended/threaded barrel for the Five Seven pistol, and they only make a new batch every few months, so they are scarce at times.

There is a company that makes 5.7x28 barrels for the TC contender, and that could be turned down and threaded for a suppressed project gun

2008 will bring more suppressor friendly choices in 5.7 firearms.
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Old August 19, 2007, 02:25 AM   #68
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I wouldn't really call it entertaining. Sad, yes. Far below par for the standards of this forum? Definitely. Entertaining, not so much

We've had caliber wars and disagreements here before, but this is the first time I can recall ever seeing two supposedly grown men squabbling like pre-pubescent losers on Totse :barf:

I can't believe it made it three pages...
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Old August 21, 2007, 04:57 PM   #69
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Blew my 5.7 Budget yesterday on a Benelli M1014! Maybe next month huh?
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