What about a McCain/Ventura Reform Party ticket?

Allen_Raiford · March 10, 2000, 03:02 PM

How far do you think that would go?

416Rigby · March 10, 2000, 03:12 PM

You mean, for president or in the ring?

Monkeyleg · March 10, 2000, 04:28 PM

I think it would go about a foot and a half.

McCain isn't going to leave the Republican Party. He'll try to wrest out of Bush as many concessions as possible on campaign finance.
But, in the end, he'll be going back to the Senate and he'd lose all of his power if he deserted the party.

Besides, combine McCain's remarks about Jerry
Falwell with Ventura's comments about religion being for the weak-minded, and the only votes they'd get would be from atheists.

Dick

RickD · March 10, 2000, 04:34 PM

McCain + Ventura = President Gore

Haven't we learned our lesson from Teddy Roosevelt Challenging Taft in 1912? How do you think we got President Wilson, the federal income tax, and Prohibition.

Ego is a terrible thing.

Rick

Jim March · March 10, 2000, 07:34 PM

EXACTLY. If McCain really believes in what he claims to believe in, the words "President Gore" should scare the hell out of him. He needs to stop screwing around and support Bush. If he doesn't, and Gore wins, God (or the diety of your choice) help us all.

Jim

Allen_Raiford · March 11, 2000, 08:53 AM

Hey, it was just a thought, seeing as how the polls show McCain getting about 25% in a 3 way between a Gore, Bush, and McCain race.
Ventura's popularity should add some to that.
Since they are both pro-gun, It might not be a bad choice.

The Rock · March 11, 2000, 03:36 PM

The Rock paging DaMan, once again The Rock paging DaMan...

The Manchurian Candidate can go back to the Senate. Jesse can stay Gov of Minn. Neither one is what I see as a real pro-gunner. Jesse said he supported CCW, but still no action. McCain has made statements that I find to be socialist and statist, and I for one would rather have Gore, because I know what he is.

TR

Hal · March 11, 2000, 07:14 PM

The Rock, speaks the truth.

I'm far from Da man, but Rock, I'm 100% with you on this.

Wasn't it RickD, a citizen of Az, that said McCain and odd reports of strange behavior?

Dennis Olson · March 11, 2000, 08:52 PM

Ventura is no longer a member of the Reform Party. They had a vicious series of squabbles, and he bolted, and told them to "stuff it".

And the reason for no action on CCW is that the Republicrats in the state house don't see the Guv as a political power, so they essentially told HIM to "stuff it".

ChuteTheMall · March 12, 2000, 01:47 AM

Before you call McCain "pro-gun" visit his website and see his desire to ban junk guns, his plans for fingerprint-reading smart guns, and recall that he saved the Lautenberg amendment. McCain has been on both sides of too many issues.

Unite against Gore. Elect Bush.

------------------
Teach a non-shooter to shoot. Educate a voter.

pluspinc · March 12, 2000, 03:04 PM

I hope NOBODY thinks Ventura is pro-gun in action. He is a blatant liberal democrat type in sheeps clothing. He never saw a tax dollar he didn't want to spend and he talks pro-gun but us Minnesota types know better. ALL talk. Ventura and Gore had a meeting this weekend and dressed alike right down to the cowboy boots.

Hard Ball · March 12, 2000, 04:21 PM

It's a great idea if you want to see Al Gore elected president.

Tim Burke · March 12, 2000, 04:48 PM

If McCain were a Republican, he'd be the Republican Clinton. If he'd gotten the nomination, I would have voted for Gore. If we are going to have democrats trashing the country, I at least want them to get the blame.

Jeff Thomas · March 13, 2000, 02:01 AM

IMHO, to be frank, I think this is, well ... a crazy concept.

I don't think these guys have much in common, although perhaps I'm giving Ventura too much credit.

For everyone that thinks McCain is some kind of freedom-loving Republican, all I can say is we should watch what he does in the Senate from here on out. I agree - I think Senator McCain has become a statist, and I don't believe he is much of an RKBA-supporter these days. We'll see.

[This message has been edited by Jeff Thomas (edited March 13, 2000).]

Tom Jefferson · March 13, 2000, 03:43 AM

McCain is a man of surpassing integrity. His support for the Second Amendment is clear and strong. Bush cannot win with out the McCain voters, so there will be a positive Bush Campaign Finance Reform position.

If Bush does not win in 2000, McCain is the best choice for us in 2004.

MusclesMcGee · March 13, 2000, 06:52 AM

McCain would have won.

Bush is a pansy and will lose.

Say hello to Gore.

Tim Burke · March 13, 2000, 04:17 PM

< McCain is a man of surpassing integrity. >

This is a man that unilaterally vowed to not campaign negatively and also vowed to never lie to the American people.

Next thing we hear, he's denying that his campaign made the calls accusing Bush of anti-Catholic bigotry or distributed the negative flyers that Bush waved at him during one of the debates. Subsequently he does, in fact, admit that his campaign is responsible for both of those actions.

That is not integrity.

March 10, 2000, 03:02 PM	#1
Allen_Raiford Senior Member Join Date: February 12, 2000 Posts: 304	How far do you think that would go?

March 10, 2000, 03:12 PM	#2
416Rigby Senior Member Join Date: August 22, 1999 Location: Virginia Posts: 450	You mean, for president or in the ring?

March 10, 2000, 04:28 PM	#3
Monkeyleg Senior Member Join Date: January 25, 2000 Posts: 4,625	I think it would go about a foot and a half. McCain isn't going to leave the Republican Party. He'll try to wrest out of Bush as many concessions as possible on campaign finance. But, in the end, he'll be going back to the Senate and he'd lose all of his power if he deserted the party. Besides, combine McCain's remarks about Jerry Falwell with Ventura's comments about religion being for the weak-minded, and the only votes they'd get would be from atheists. Dick

March 10, 2000, 04:34 PM	#4
RickD Junior member Join Date: November 19, 1999 Location: Arizona Posts: 1,920	McCain + Ventura = President Gore Haven't we learned our lesson from Teddy Roosevelt Challenging Taft in 1912? How do you think we got President Wilson, the federal income tax, and Prohibition. Ego is a terrible thing. Rick

March 10, 2000, 07:34 PM	#5
Jim March Senior Member Join Date: February 14, 1999 Location: Pittsburg, CA, USA Posts: 7,016	EXACTLY. If McCain really believes in what he claims to believe in, the words "President Gore" should scare the hell out of him. He needs to stop screwing around and support Bush. If he doesn't, and Gore wins, God (or the diety of your choice) help us all. Jim

March 11, 2000, 08:53 AM	#6
Allen_Raiford Senior Member Join Date: February 12, 2000 Posts: 304	Hey, it was just a thought, seeing as how the polls show McCain getting about 25% in a 3 way between a Gore, Bush, and McCain race. Ventura's popularity should add some to that. Since they are both pro-gun, It might not be a bad choice.

March 11, 2000, 03:36 PM	#7
The Rock Senior Member Join Date: September 14, 1999 Location: Occupied VA, CSA Posts: 351	The Rock paging DaMan, once again The Rock paging DaMan... The Manchurian Candidate can go back to the Senate. Jesse can stay Gov of Minn. Neither one is what I see as a real pro-gunner. Jesse said he supported CCW, but still no action. McCain has made statements that I find to be socialist and statist, and I for one would rather have Gore, because I know what he is. TR

March 11, 2000, 07:14 PM	#8
Hal Senior Member Join Date: October 10, 1998 Location: Ohio USA Posts: 6,974	The Rock, speaks the truth. I'm far from Da man, but Rock, I'm 100% with you on this. Wasn't it RickD, a citizen of Az, that said McCain and odd reports of strange behavior?

March 11, 2000, 08:52 PM	#9
Dennis Olson Senior Member Join Date: August 22, 1999 Location: Texas Posts: 1,179	Ventura is no longer a member of the Reform Party. They had a vicious series of squabbles, and he bolted, and told them to "stuff it". And the reason for no action on CCW is that the Republicrats in the state house don't see the Guv as a political power, so they essentially told HIM to "stuff it".

March 12, 2000, 01:47 AM	#10
ChuteTheMall Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 1999 Location: occupied Northern Virginia Posts: 179	Before you call McCain "pro-gun" visit his website and see his desire to ban junk guns, his plans for fingerprint-reading smart guns, and recall that he saved the Lautenberg amendment. McCain has been on both sides of too many issues. Unite against Gore. Elect Bush. ------------------ Teach a non-shooter to shoot. Educate a voter.

March 12, 2000, 03:04 PM	#11
pluspinc Junior member Join Date: December 30, 1999 Location: Mpls, MN. US Posts: 497	I hope NOBODY thinks Ventura is pro-gun in action. He is a blatant liberal democrat type in sheeps clothing. He never saw a tax dollar he didn't want to spend and he talks pro-gun but us Minnesota types know better. ALL talk. Ventura and Gore had a meeting this weekend and dressed alike right down to the cowboy boots.

March 12, 2000, 04:21 PM	#12
Hard Ball Senior Member Join Date: November 28, 1999 Location: California Posts: 3,928	It's a great idea if you want to see Al Gore elected president.

March 12, 2000, 04:48 PM	#13
Tim Burke Senior Member Join Date: February 17, 1999 Posts: 551	If McCain were a Republican, he'd be the Republican Clinton. If he'd gotten the nomination, I would have voted for Gore. If we are going to have democrats trashing the country, I at least want them to get the blame.

March 13, 2000, 02:01 AM	#14
Jeff Thomas Senior Member Join Date: December 9, 1998 Location: Texas Posts: 4,755	IMHO, to be frank, I think this is, well ... a crazy concept. I don't think these guys have much in common, although perhaps I'm giving Ventura too much credit. For everyone that thinks McCain is some kind of freedom-loving Republican, all I can say is we should watch what he does in the Senate from here on out. I agree - I think Senator McCain has become a statist, and I don't believe he is much of an RKBA-supporter these days. We'll see. [This message has been edited by Jeff Thomas (edited March 13, 2000).]

March 13, 2000, 03:43 AM	#15
Tom Jefferson Member Join Date: December 29, 1999 Posts: 50	McCain is a man of surpassing integrity. His support for the Second Amendment is clear and strong. Bush cannot win with out the McCain voters, so there will be a positive Bush Campaign Finance Reform position. If Bush does not win in 2000, McCain is the best choice for us in 2004.

March 13, 2000, 06:52 AM	#16
MusclesMcGee Junior member Join Date: November 13, 1999 Location: CA Posts: 238	McCain would have won. Bush is a pansy and will lose. Say hello to Gore.

March 13, 2000, 04:17 PM	#17
Tim Burke Senior Member Join Date: February 17, 1999 Posts: 551	< McCain is a man of surpassing integrity. > This is a man that unilaterally vowed to not campaign negatively and also vowed to never lie to the American people. Next thing we hear, he's denying that his campaign made the calls accusing Bush of anti-Catholic bigotry or distributed the negative flyers that Bush waved at him during one of the debates. Subsequently he does, in fact, admit that his campaign is responsible for both of those actions. That is not integrity.