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Old July 8, 2007, 11:27 PM   #1
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I'm sure you've seen this movie clip a million times but I have a question.

Tom Cruise taking out two robbers in "Collateral."

http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vi...19258&fr=slv8-

While watching this, it seems he grabs the weapon while moving the arm in an upward motion. Is this the proper way to draw? I have never taken any classes, and I'm curious to know if this is how most of you practice drawing your weapon? I can draw my weapon pretty fast, but I kind of feel for it first and then draw. I primarily carry a G26, so as you know, the butt is not as easy to grasp as a compact or full-size weapon.

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Old July 9, 2007, 01:16 AM   #2
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The first guy gets shot from the "close contact" position...also known as the speed rock. Firing grip, pistol comes straight up enough to clear the holster, then pivots at the wrist to point at the BG.
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Old July 9, 2007, 01:24 AM   #3
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I never saw that movie , I was expecting some barrel roll Hollywood head shot kinda thing.
I gotta Netflix that
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Old July 9, 2007, 09:24 AM   #4
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Thats a good movie and a good clip. The moral of that clip is don't draw on someone and hold the gun at arms length and walk towards them, effectivly handing them your gun....

Ever notice in Tom's movies the BG's are never bigger than he is? They must scour the earth looking for short guys to match him up with.
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Old July 9, 2007, 09:33 AM   #5
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I thought the same thing with damn near every movie I've seen Cruise in.
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Old July 9, 2007, 10:02 AM   #6
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Ever notice in Tom's movies the BG's are never bigger than he is? They must scour the earth looking for short guys to match him up with.
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I thought the same thing with damn near every movie I've seen Cruise in.
They have ways of making tall people look short and vice versa .

If you go to HKpro you'll see that clip in everyone's signature . There was some serious USP45 footage in there. Some fairly realistic gunplay for Hollywood. Michael Mann usually tries to make it at least somewhat realistic. You'll usually see people doing press checks and stuff, and hardly ever will you see the Hollywood mags- you know, the ones that have infinite capacity. I thought one example of some realism was when Jamie Fox's character had Vincent's (Tom Cruise) USP, and tried to shoot a glass window out. Showed him trying to find the safety. Must've been a variant 1 or the SAO . If you want to see another good one of his, you should check out Heat. There's some pretty realistic action in that one too.

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Old July 9, 2007, 01:41 PM   #7
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forced perspective

Only as an FYI, they do not necessarily use only actors that are not taller than cruse.

It is very easy for the director to place the camera in a position where cruise will appear taller than those behind him. For example in this shot the camera is placed at waist level shooting up with cruse closer to the camera and the BGs farther from the camera. In this way everyone farther from the camera regardless of their height will appear shorter than cruise. Its called forced perspective.

BTW they do the same thing with Sylvester Stallone movies.
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Old July 9, 2007, 07:29 PM   #8
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That was actually a fine example of how to handle that situation.
-played passive/disarming demeanor
-positioned BG gun up and away
-CQ draw and fire to initial BG then 'fail to stop(2chest 1 head) on the the 2nd BG before he could react.
-lastly...made certain of no threat from behind before he turned his back. (NOT recommended if you plan to plea self defense lol)
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Old July 10, 2007, 12:36 AM   #9
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Easy to second guess, but... If I had time to plan it out, I'd probably shoot the second guy first since the one with the briefcase was already disarmed.

And if one were going to shoot the guy on the ground, one might as well do it as quickly as possible--no sense in finding out if he's got a backup.
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I kind of feel for it first and then draw.
Shooting is all about control and you don't have any if you don't get a proper grip on your pistol.

This advice is simple but it's still good. Never try to draw and shoot faster than you're able.
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Old July 10, 2007, 12:55 AM   #10
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Mozambique Drill. Well executed.
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Old July 10, 2007, 02:53 AM   #11
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I just noticed it but the second BG was drawing from IWB when Cruise shot him. That sure was FAST!
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Old July 10, 2007, 07:02 AM   #12
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I am just curious to know, does anyone besides me realize that this clip is a MOVIE?

That situation turns out much differently for 99% of the population. There is maybe 1% that can do what Tom Cruise did....or acted. First, the second guy would have already had his gun out. The first BG would have probably shot TC (would to God! ) before TC could get his arm up to disarm the bad guy.

It's a wonder more people don't get themselves shot by thinking this is even remotely doable except for the 1%.

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Old July 10, 2007, 07:07 AM   #13
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That is an actually accepted draw I remember from training. As I recall, you should take a larger step backwards with the leg on the strong side to provide distance. That is, of course, unless you're an action hero who punches a "homie" first. My instructor never taught me that one. Gotta love those dopes who hold the gun sideways.
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Old July 11, 2007, 01:49 PM   #14
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Ummm... no.

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That sure was FAST!
It probably wasn't. Speeding up certain clips in a movie by x% is fairly standard fare for the industry. BTW, I don't think the character punched him as much as got inside his arm and pushed the gun hand upwards and outwards.
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Old July 12, 2007, 09:14 PM   #15
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in case you guys wanted something else to watch, heres the famous shootout from Michael Mann's Heat

http://youtube.com/watch?v=J7exsa3zXI8
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Old July 16, 2007, 11:31 AM   #16
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Second BG got to his gun too fast and had to delay so as not to win.
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Old July 16, 2007, 01:16 PM   #17
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+ a billion for the movie heat....best movie ever made...and i dont see why what tom cruise did in the movie was so unrealistic...i dont know if i would attempt it with two guys and one with a gun in my face but maybe alot more practice and a out of the waist band holster...and if i was really that willing to get my BRIEFCASE back
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Old July 16, 2007, 03:48 PM   #18
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I liked the one where Bugs Bunny put his finger in the barrel of the rifle and Elmer Fudd's face turned all black and stuff..
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Old July 16, 2007, 04:06 PM   #19
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Also don't you get tired of these hoodlums who hold their handguns sideways? It just screams "I don't know what I'm doing and can't hit anything". Natural sellection I guess.
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Old July 16, 2007, 04:10 PM   #20
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You know, I wonder if it is a case of the movies causing the gangbangers to adopt bad gun handling. A public service! Ace
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Old July 16, 2007, 05:14 PM   #21
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I was just thinking, he certainly had no inhibitions against killing. Wouldn't you just shoot them both in the back in the first place and walk over and pick up your case? It wouldn't help the movie, though. Ace
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Old July 16, 2007, 06:16 PM   #22
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This was a pretty good movie, especially for us HK fans. Tom Cruise took this role very seriously and spent something like 2 months going to tactical hand gun schools and some 1 on 1 time with a famous gun coach, can't remember his name. You also have to remember that in this movie, his character is a hitman/assasin, so he really doesn't care about anything other than self preservation and earning his money. I liked it alot.

+ another for heat, just watched it again the other night.

Another good 1 is Smoking Aces.
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Old July 16, 2007, 06:44 PM   #23
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Glockeroo-

To address you concern about drawing your short butt G26, try these:

http://www.concealablecontrol.com/

I use them on my Glock and highly recommend them.
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