Primer Crisis!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wildalaska · June 24, 2007, 06:37 PM

There isnt a GM210M large in the City! Not even in the wholesalers hands. And it isnt like I can have them UPS'd

Anybody have a preferred substitute for match loads? There are CCI BRs around.

WilddesperateAlaska

Glennster · June 24, 2007, 07:26 PM

I ran this same exercise a couple of months ago, there are non in production for at least 6 - 9 months.
The guys that do have them, well, you figure it out...... : - (

I've been using Winchester with great accuracy. Four shots at 200 yards, I could cover them all with a dime!

Let us know if you find some, GOOD LUCK !!!!!!!!

crowbeaner · June 24, 2007, 09:08 PM

WA the CCI BR is a very good primer but the cup is a little harder than the GM. Back the charge down about 2.0 gr. and work it back up. I use BR4s in my .222 for ultimate accuracy loads, even though they are more expensive than the RP 71/2s I prefer. The only reason you can get the BRs is the price. Some people just won't spend the extra. RP 71/2s are nonexistent around here, and I haven't found any vendor that has any. Guess it's a good thing I bought some a couple years ago. Good luck.

**Unclenick** · June 24, 2007, 11:37 PM

Ditto on the CCI BR's. More and more loads seem to be showing up around the web and among shooting rags that claim to be accurate only with those primers. Also Dittos on the price. Fortunately for me, I laid in 5000 210M's awhile back, and am not through them yet. I also got 5000 of the CCI #34's last year for gas gun loads for .30-06 and .308 to use in matches. Also an excellent reputation.

You will likely find, with their harder cups, the CCI's need a bit more effort to seat. So, if your doing this on a progressive, keep an eye out for high primers.

rogn · June 25, 2007, 07:27 AM

The current upcoming favored primer in the BR world is the PMC, sorry about the origin of same.

Martyn4802 · June 25, 2007, 07:40 AM

There haven't been any Federal rifle primers around here for over a year. Just checked again last Friday.

L Puckett · June 26, 2007, 01:02 PM

WA,

In my .308 loads I prefer to use either the GM210M or BR2's. If all else fails WLR's will work fairly well, just not as good of an ES or SD on the chronograph.

I have yet to try any of the PMC (Russian) primers, as they seem even harder to locate for me.

Definitely, drop your load back a bit and work back as the 210M's and the BR2's flash differently.

LP

Wildalaska · June 26, 2007, 02:12 PM

I just got off the phoen with Federal. 210Ms are a 6-9 month back orderr situation.

I basically load for 2 cartridges for 6 rifles.

6.5x55 and 308 for the Blaser. I guess I will save the 210Ms for those loads, but switch to BRs for the M41B and all the others.

Wilmyloadisomildinthem41bthatimaynotneedtodecreasechargeAlaska

Peter M. Eick · June 26, 2007, 09:21 PM

Did they happen to say why the backorder situation?

Just idle curiousity.

(I am sure glad I stocked up a few months back!)

Wildalaska · June 26, 2007, 11:34 PM

Peter it was Orwellian

I asked the nice girl answering the phone whether it was the war...she said, oh no, its just that we have been concentrating on loaded ammo so we dont have components

Lake City.

A fella told me today that Federal employees are compelled to work mandatory overtime.

Now Pete, if you were a nice guy

WildjustoneprimerpleaseAlaska

LSMNTBC · June 27, 2007, 04:36 PM

All of federals primers are going into loaded rounds. You will be lucky if you see any on the shelves till sometime on 2008. They have there primer line running 24/7 trying to keep up with orders for ammo. I have a very good source for the info. I have a family member who works for Federal. Good thing I have about 4k of the 210M and 205M laying around for a rainy day!!! Happy hunting!

30Cal · June 27, 2007, 05:06 PM

Powder Valley has the Wolf (Russian/PMC) primers as of earlier this week. I've got some coming.

Ty

Arub · June 27, 2007, 06:17 PM

I'm reloading my used primers

UniversalFrost · June 27, 2007, 07:24 PM

I have been using the CCI Br's with great success, plus the local MWR run sportsman club on base ran out of standard primers so they sold me the BR's for the same price per thousand (I bought out all they had on stock

) and they gave me a multi order discount ( when it was all over I ended up paying about half as much as the BR's normally go for on midway and I even get the dealer discount from midway).

Peter M. Eick · June 27, 2007, 09:52 PM

Wild I would offer you some gladly, but you would probably not be interested. I buy only CCI's loaded in APS strips. I buy them in boxes of 5000 and have a decent storage of them distributed around my friends houses. I try to keep my stash within the fire codes for safety.

Wildalaska · June 27, 2007, 10:42 PM

I got 1000 BR-2s today, I feel better

Now Im going to load up all those Fed 210s for the "stash"

WildstyphenateAlaska

crowbeaner · June 27, 2007, 11:49 PM

WA I forgot to add in my first post that I'm hoarding 1000 215Ms for use with H380 if I get another 22-250. You could try the barter system with some of the locals if all else fails. No telling what your fellow citizens have way up there. Good luck and you'll find those BRs are right fine primers.

StrikeEagle · July 1, 2007, 12:53 AM

Quote:

Powder Valley has the Wolf (Russian/PMC) primers as of earlier this week. I've got some coming.

Eek!

I've seen those too... has anyone used them? Are they as horrible and awful as they might be? Wolf ammo doesn't have a great rep... could the primers be any better?

Any firsthand reports?

Wildalaska · July 1, 2007, 01:57 AM

OK I got 1000 regular 210s which I hear are the same as 210Ms, just not as good

WildpopopAlaska

30Cal · July 2, 2007, 05:45 PM

Quote:

Eek!

I've seen those too... has anyone used them? Are they as horrible and awful as they might be? Wolf ammo doesn't have a great rep... could the primers be any better?

Any firsthand reports?

I've heard good things about the last batch that came through. I think we're trying to verify what they are. I've got some coming (large rifle and small magnum rifle) this week.

Ty

ShootingNut · July 2, 2007, 06:40 PM

Buy all the Winchester primers you can. Supply will slowly dry up, as prices of all primers rise. To each his own, me I like "the guy on the horse" brand!

**Unclenick** · July 3, 2007, 09:03 PM

Can't find the link, but one article has it that government ammunition orders are way, way up. Three or four times last year's level. That seems to be eating the factory capacity up.

BsChoy@nycap.rr.com · July 4, 2007, 06:49 PM

Anybody know which primers might come closer to a fed 210 winchester or cci?

crowbeaner · July 4, 2007, 07:14 PM

I think the CCI 250 is the closest to the Fed 210 as far as brisance is concerned. All primers are different, so if you have to change from what you normally use by all means back off on the powder charge and work back up.

June 24, 2007, 06:37 PM	#1
Wildalaska Junior member Join Date: November 25, 2002 Location: In my own little weird world in Anchorage, Alaska Posts: 14,174	Primer Crisis!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There isnt a GM210M large in the City! Not even in the wholesalers hands. And it isnt like I can have them UPS'd Anybody have a preferred substitute for match loads? There are CCI BRs around. WilddesperateAlaska

June 24, 2007, 11:37 PM	#4
Unclenick Staff Join Date: March 4, 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 9,153	Ditto on the CCI BR's. More and more loads seem to be showing up around the web and among shooting rags that claim to be accurate only with those primers. Also Dittos on the price. Fortunately for me, I laid in 5000 210M's awhile back, and am not through them yet. I also got 5000 of the CCI #34's last year for gas gun loads for .30-06 and .308 to use in matches. Also an excellent reputation. You will likely find, with their harder cups, the CCI's need a bit more effort to seat. So, if your doing this on a progressive, keep an eye out for high primers. __________________ Gunsite Orange Hat Family Member CMP Certified GSM Master Instructor NRA Certified Rifle Instructor NRA Patron Member

June 25, 2007, 07:40 AM	#6
Martyn4802 Senior Member Join Date: June 12, 2007 Location: Grayling, Michigan Posts: 737	There haven't been any Federal rifle primers around here for over a year. Just checked again last Friday. __________________ US Army Retired NRA Benefactor Life Member JPFO

June 26, 2007, 09:21 PM	#9
Peter M. Eick Senior Member Join Date: August 4, 1999 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 2,567	Did they happen to say why the backorder situation? Just idle curiousity. (I am sure glad I stocked up a few months back!) __________________ 10mm and 357sig, the best things to come along since the 38 super!

June 27, 2007, 07:24 PM	#14
UniversalFrost Senior Member Join Date: February 20, 2006 Location: West Virginia Posts: 2,297	I have been using the CCI Br's with great success, plus the local MWR run sportsman club on base ran out of standard primers so they sold me the BR's for the same price per thousand (I bought out all they had on stock ) and they gave me a multi order discount ( when it was all over I ended up paying about half as much as the BR's normally go for on midway and I even get the dealer discount from midway). __________________ Lifetime member VFW and NRA "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" (when all else fails play dead) -Red Green

June 24, 2007, 07:26 PM	#2
Glennster Senior Member Join Date: July 31, 2005 Location: Northern Indiana Posts: 226	I ran this same exercise a couple of months ago, there are non in production for at least 6 - 9 months. The guys that do have them, well, you figure it out...... : - ( I've been using Winchester with great accuracy. Four shots at 200 yards, I could cover them all with a dime! Let us know if you find some, GOOD LUCK !!!!!!!!

June 24, 2007, 09:08 PM	#3
crowbeaner Senior Member Join Date: June 4, 2007 Location: Upstate SC Posts: 1,934	WA the CCI BR is a very good primer but the cup is a little harder than the GM. Back the charge down about 2.0 gr. and work it back up. I use BR4s in my .222 for ultimate accuracy loads, even though they are more expensive than the RP 71/2s I prefer. The only reason you can get the BRs is the price. Some people just won't spend the extra. RP 71/2s are nonexistent around here, and I haven't found any vendor that has any. Guess it's a good thing I bought some a couple years ago. Good luck.

June 25, 2007, 07:27 AM	#5
rogn Senior Member Join Date: December 25, 2005 Posts: 180	The current upcoming favored primer in the BR world is the PMC, sorry about the origin of same.

June 26, 2007, 01:02 PM	#7
L Puckett Senior Member Join Date: March 2, 2002 Location: Mid-Tennessee Posts: 150	WA, In my .308 loads I prefer to use either the GM210M or BR2's. If all else fails WLR's will work fairly well, just not as good of an ES or SD on the chronograph. I have yet to try any of the PMC (Russian) primers, as they seem even harder to locate for me. Definitely, drop your load back a bit and work back as the 210M's and the BR2's flash differently. LP

June 26, 2007, 02:12 PM	#8
Wildalaska Junior member Join Date: November 25, 2002 Location: In my own little weird world in Anchorage, Alaska Posts: 14,174	I just got off the phoen with Federal. 210Ms are a 6-9 month back orderr situation. I basically load for 2 cartridges for 6 rifles. 6.5x55 and 308 for the Blaser. I guess I will save the 210Ms for those loads, but switch to BRs for the M41B and all the others. Wilmyloadisomildinthem41bthatimaynotneedtodecreasechargeAlaska

June 26, 2007, 11:34 PM	#10
Wildalaska Junior member Join Date: November 25, 2002 Location: In my own little weird world in Anchorage, Alaska Posts: 14,174	Peter it was Orwellian I asked the nice girl answering the phone whether it was the war...she said, oh no, its just that we have been concentrating on loaded ammo so we dont have components Lake City. A fella told me today that Federal employees are compelled to work mandatory overtime. Now Pete, if you were a nice guy WildjustoneprimerpleaseAlaska

June 27, 2007, 04:36 PM	#11
LSMNTBC Member Join Date: December 12, 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 24	All of federals primers are going into loaded rounds. You will be lucky if you see any on the shelves till sometime on 2008. They have there primer line running 24/7 trying to keep up with orders for ammo. I have a very good source for the info. I have a family member who works for Federal. Good thing I have about 4k of the 210M and 205M laying around for a rainy day!!! Happy hunting!

June 27, 2007, 05:06 PM	#12
30Cal Senior Member Join Date: December 3, 2002 Posts: 1,093	Powder Valley has the Wolf (Russian/PMC) primers as of earlier this week. I've got some coming. Ty

June 27, 2007, 06:17 PM	#13
Arub Senior Member Join Date: January 20, 2001 Location: UCLA (upper corner of lower Alabama) Posts: 511	I'm reloading my used primers

June 27, 2007, 09:52 PM	#15
Peter M. Eick Senior Member Join Date: August 4, 1999 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 2,567	Wild I would offer you some gladly, but you would probably not be interested. I buy only CCI's loaded in APS strips. I buy them in boxes of 5000 and have a decent storage of them distributed around my friends houses. I try to keep my stash within the fire codes for safety. __________________ 10mm and 357sig, the best things to come along since the 38 super!

June 27, 2007, 10:42 PM	#16
Wildalaska Junior member Join Date: November 25, 2002 Location: In my own little weird world in Anchorage, Alaska Posts: 14,174	I got 1000 BR-2s today, I feel better Now Im going to load up all those Fed 210s for the "stash" WildstyphenateAlaska

June 27, 2007, 11:49 PM	#17
crowbeaner Senior Member Join Date: June 4, 2007 Location: Upstate SC Posts: 1,934	WA I forgot to add in my first post that I'm hoarding 1000 215Ms for use with H380 if I get another 22-250. You could try the barter system with some of the locals if all else fails. No telling what your fellow citizens have way up there. Good luck and you'll find those BRs are right fine primers.

July 1, 2007, 01:57 AM	#19
Wildalaska Junior member Join Date: November 25, 2002 Location: In my own little weird world in Anchorage, Alaska Posts: 14,174	OK I got 1000 regular 210s which I hear are the same as 210Ms, just not as good WildpopopAlaska

July 2, 2007, 06:40 PM	#21
ShootingNut Senior Member Join Date: December 27, 2006 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 1,409	The Guy On The Horse Buy all the Winchester primers you can. Supply will slowly dry up, as prices of all primers rise. To each his own, me I like "the guy on the horse" brand!

July 3, 2007, 09:03 PM	#22
Unclenick Staff Join Date: March 4, 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 9,153	Can't find the link, but one article has it that government ammunition orders are way, way up. Three or four times last year's level. That seems to be eating the factory capacity up. __________________ Gunsite Orange Hat Family Member CMP Certified GSM Master Instructor NRA Certified Rifle Instructor NRA Patron Member

July 4, 2007, 06:49 PM	#23
BsChoy@nycap.rr.com Junior Member Join Date: May 10, 2007 Posts: 13	Anybody know which primers might come closer to a fed 210 winchester or cci?

July 4, 2007, 07:14 PM	#24
crowbeaner Senior Member Join Date: June 4, 2007 Location: Upstate SC Posts: 1,934	I think the CCI 250 is the closest to the Fed 210 as far as brisance is concerned. All primers are different, so if you have to change from what you normally use by all means back off on the powder charge and work back up.