Self Defence

Daneto · May 12, 2007, 04:37 PM

What do you think the would be the best and cheapest handgun to conceal and carry for protection?

Daneto · May 12, 2007, 05:00 PM

Anyone?

rvito · May 12, 2007, 05:06 PM

The best in my opinion would be a Glock 20 or 21SF or a Glock 23. As far as Cheap" Don't buy a piece of crap that might not work when called upon to protect you!!!!!!!

Dwight55 · May 12, 2007, 05:35 PM

There are many options out there:

Bersa Thunder .380 at $225 is a good choice, . . . NIB

Springfield Armory has .45 models for less than $500, . . . NIB

Most large retailers have police trades for $400 and up, . . . 9mm, 40, etc.

These will all work, . . . and in my opinion are good choices. Just be sure to get something YOU can shoot.

May God bless,

Dwight

Daneto · May 12, 2007, 05:42 PM

I saw a tokarev type 54.. 7.62x25 And its like 180$ :P.
any good?

marshall2 · May 12, 2007, 05:44 PM

How about, "What's a good reliable gun that is relatively inexpensive?"

Lots of good answers there. My answer: sw9ve. It's about $300 brand new.

http://www.mouseguns.com/mysw9ve/sw9ve.html

paknheat · May 12, 2007, 08:34 PM

Small frame , hammerless type .38 revolver. Like the Charter Arms or S&W j-frames.

revjen45 · May 12, 2007, 08:44 PM

Makarov offers a good balance of price.size, and reliability at the expense of some power. I would rather hit with a Makarov than leave my .44 Mag at home or still be saving for that Les Baer .45.

USPshooter · May 12, 2007, 09:18 PM

Yeah, the words Cheap and Self-Defense don't really go together....would you want something cheap to fail you in the moment??

oldbillthundercheif · May 12, 2007, 09:23 PM

Makarov.

45reloader · May 12, 2007, 09:31 PM

Taurus model 85 38 spec +P

skeeter1 · May 12, 2007, 10:05 PM

Quote:

"Best and Cheapest" don't go well together....

My thoughts exactly. If it's my butt on the line I want the best I can get. In my case, I've opted for a S&W M60. Small, powerful, reliable, but hardly cheap. If I ever need to use it on a BG, however, I have complete confidence that it will work.

oystermick · May 12, 2007, 10:30 PM

What skeeter said! The model 60 is a great piece.

Mastrogiacomo · May 12, 2007, 10:35 PM

I wouldn't go cheap for self defense but the cheaper guns I have are my Berettas, Glock, or my beloved Ruger DAO; I have two of those....

Edward429451 · May 12, 2007, 10:43 PM

Don't best and cheapest just mean used name brand? Some of the best guns I have came from pawnshops.

joshua · May 13, 2007, 01:13 AM

There are lots of folks out there wanting to protect themselves by using a firearm, but some are just turned away due to the prices of quality guns. Just because someone is on a budget doesn't mean they can't buy an affordable firearm capable for the purpose of self defense. $250 bucks can buy you a used revolver that is still in great shape.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...?Item=71794465
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...?Item=71794184
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...?Item=71625080

Try pawn shops and local gun shops, you'll find a nice used revolver or semi auto at a decent price.

josh

CarbineCaleb · May 13, 2007, 06:11 PM

A high quality polymer framed semiauto, like the S&W M&P, Glock, Beretta PX4...
Stoeger Cougar (Beretta Clone), Ruger SP101, something CZ (don't have experience in their line)...

These are not the absolute cheapest, but are certainly below average in price, and yet very good quality firearms.

allenomics · May 13, 2007, 07:41 PM

Best and cheapest? You'll have to make a compromise if you want cheap.

If you are looking for a 9mm, I'd check out the Kel-Teck PF9. It's available for about $260-$285.

The PF9 has a long and heavy trigger pull (it is kind of a safety).

Webleymkv · May 13, 2007, 08:18 PM

There are a lot of surplus CZ 82s on the market that would be a good choice.

cheygriz · May 13, 2007, 09:42 PM

Makarov.

Preferably East German. Not a real good choice,

but if you insist on cheap, it's the best cheap gun out there, and the 9X18 cartridge is as effective as a .380.

I certainly can't make your decisions for you, and I wouldn't even if I could. But in my value system, I consider my life, and the lives of my wife and son worth more than the $600-$750 it would cost you to get seomething like a SIG P239, SIG P229, or other top QUALITY defensive handgun.

I consider my life is also worth the $20+ per box I pay for premium 9MM ammunition for the little SIG P239.

Dwight55 · May 14, 2007, 06:47 PM

Yes, . . . absolutely, . . . there is a lot to be said for purchasing a quality firearm, . . . good brand name, . . . good quality, . . . ad infinitim.

OTOH, . . . some folks just don't have the werewithall to do that.

I have a little Bersa .380 that has never had an incident in all the rounds I have put through it. It has something like a 4 1/2 in sight radius, . . . yet I was able to drop 15 rounds within a 7 1/2 in pattern just foolin around the other day. I had never shot it from back at 25 yds (75 feet) so I thought I would try it, . . . surprized me.

And that is with WW white box, . . . Wally World ammo.

May God bless,
Dwight

gvf · May 15, 2007, 01:29 AM

Either a snub revolver or a used police sig 225 or other sig, which seems to be at Gander Mountain for one, a number of them. Police-used are often used infrequently though they have a lot of holster wear. But so what, it'll be concealed.

springmom · May 15, 2007, 02:13 AM

Bersas used to be a lot less expensive than they are now. Lots of folks love them. I wanted to love the one I had but every time I fired it, it spat burning gunpowder back onto my hand and arm. Not a great way to spend your day at the range.

Look for a good used revolver. There are a LOT of old police revolvers out there, and although you may need to do some shopping around, (and read the sticky on checking out revolvers over on the revolver forum). A J-frame, if it fits your hand, is just about the most concealable thing on earth. I have a S&W m37, from a run that they made for some foreign government that ended up not wanting them. That was their loss and my gain. I love that little gun. But a good Detective Special...any one of many models of .38 or .357 in a 3" barrel, is concealable and shouldn't set you back even as much as a new XD or Glock.

One thing: someone suggested a hammerless J-frame. I know all the talk about the hammer getting caught and cocking the revolver, and I'm sure it has happened to somebody. But that hammer means that you can shoot it SA, and unless you're one of those lucky souls that is just born good with DA, you might at some point like to have that option. Just a thought.

Happy shopping.

Springmom

Doug.38PR · May 15, 2007, 11:03 AM

You could find a .25 Phoenix Raven for about $75.....I WOULDN"T TRUST MY LIFE WITH IT, but you can if cheap is really what you want.

http://www.vpc.org/studies/deadpho.htm

You could probably find a Ruger revolver or semi auto for a relatively low price, but it will still be in the 200+ (if it is a used gun) 300+ if a new

Ala Dan · May 15, 2007, 07:39 PM

One of the less expensive Kahr's that has impressed me is the 9m/m CW-9.
A fine DAO handgun indeed; with the only drawback being the cost of the
extra magazines~!

But, then again in most instances I'm armed with some type of 1911 style\
.45 ACP~!

May 12, 2007, 04:37 PM	#1
Daneto Junior Member Join Date: March 24, 2007 Posts: 9	Self Defence What do you think the would be the best and cheapest handgun to conceal and carry for protection?

May 12, 2007, 05:35 PM	#4
Dwight55 Senior Member Join Date: June 18, 2004 Location: Central Ohio Posts: 2,470	There are many options out there: Bersa Thunder .380 at $225 is a good choice, . . . NIB Springfield Armory has .45 models for less than $500, . . . NIB Most large retailers have police trades for $400 and up, . . . 9mm, 40, etc. These will all work, . . . and in my opinion are good choices. Just be sure to get something YOU can shoot. May God bless, Dwight __________________ www.dwightsgunleather.com If you can breathe, . . . thank God! If you can read, . . . thank a teacher! If you are reading this in English, . . . thank a Veteran!

May 12, 2007, 05:42 PM	#5
Daneto Junior Member Join Date: March 24, 2007 Posts: 9	Tokarev I saw a tokarev type 54.. 7.62x25 And its like 180$ :P. any good?

May 12, 2007, 05:44 PM	#6
marshall2 Senior Member Join Date: December 9, 2004 Location: Signal Mountain, TN Posts: 197	"Best and Cheapest" don't go well together.... How about, "What's a good reliable gun that is relatively inexpensive?" Lots of good answers there. My answer: sw9ve. It's about $300 brand new. http://www.mouseguns.com/mysw9ve/sw9ve.html

May 12, 2007, 10:30 PM	#13
oystermick Senior Member Join Date: December 11, 2004 Posts: 197	What skeeter said! The model 60 is a great piece. __________________ "Americans have the right and advantage of being armed- unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms." - James Madison

May 12, 2007, 05:00 PM	#2
Daneto Junior Member Join Date: March 24, 2007 Posts: 9	Anyone?

May 12, 2007, 05:06 PM	#3
rvito Member Join Date: March 15, 2007 Posts: 72	The best in my opinion would be a Glock 20 or 21SF or a Glock 23. As far as Cheap" Don't buy a piece of crap that might not work when called upon to protect you!!!!!!!

May 12, 2007, 08:34 PM	#7
paknheat Senior Member Join Date: October 17, 2006 Location: East Texas Posts: 236	Small frame , hammerless type .38 revolver. Like the Charter Arms or S&W j-frames.

May 12, 2007, 08:44 PM	#8
revjen45 Junior member Join Date: May 7, 2006 Location: Everett, WA Posts: 626	Makarov offers a good balance of price.size, and reliability at the expense of some power. I would rather hit with a Makarov than leave my .44 Mag at home or still be saving for that Les Baer .45.

May 12, 2007, 09:18 PM	#9
USPshooter Member Join Date: May 12, 2007 Location: Oklahoma City Posts: 26	Yeah, the words Cheap and Self-Defense don't really go together....would you want something cheap to fail you in the moment??

May 12, 2007, 09:23 PM	#10
oldbillthundercheif Junior member Join Date: April 21, 2006 Location: New Orleans Posts: 2,450	Makarov.

May 12, 2007, 09:31 PM	#11
45reloader Senior Member Join Date: May 20, 2006 Location: PA Posts: 669	Taurus model 85 38 spec +P

May 12, 2007, 10:35 PM	#14
Mastrogiacomo Senior Member Join Date: October 10, 2002 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 893	I wouldn't go cheap for self defense but the cheaper guns I have are my Berettas, Glock, or my beloved Ruger DAO; I have two of those....

May 12, 2007, 10:43 PM	#15
Edward429451 Senior Member Join Date: November 12, 2000 Location: Colorado Springs, Colorado Posts: 9,457	Don't best and cheapest just mean used name brand? Some of the best guns I have came from pawnshops. __________________ "Always place your clothes and weapons where you can find them in the dark" Lazarus Long "Understand that the enemy is not the enemy in his own eyes ;this may offer you an opportunity to make him your friend. If not, you can kill him without hate, and quickly." Lazarus Long

May 13, 2007, 01:13 AM	#16
joshua Senior Member Join Date: October 28, 2004 Location: norCal Posts: 2,161	There are lots of folks out there wanting to protect themselves by using a firearm, but some are just turned away due to the prices of quality guns. Just because someone is on a budget doesn't mean they can't buy an affordable firearm capable for the purpose of self defense. $250 bucks can buy you a used revolver that is still in great shape. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...?Item=71794465 http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...?Item=71794184 http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...?Item=71625080 Try pawn shops and local gun shops, you'll find a nice used revolver or semi auto at a decent price. josh

May 13, 2007, 06:11 PM	#17
CarbineCaleb Senior Member Join Date: May 27, 2004 Posts: 2,745	A high quality polymer framed semiauto, like the S&W M&P, Glock, Beretta PX4... Stoeger Cougar (Beretta Clone), Ruger SP101, something CZ (don't have experience in their line)... These are not the absolute cheapest, but are certainly below average in price, and yet very good quality firearms. __________________ “Never express yourself more clearly than you are able to think.” Niels Bohr

May 13, 2007, 07:41 PM	#18
allenomics Senior Member Join Date: January 21, 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 1,490	Best and cheapest? You'll have to make a compromise if you want cheap. If you are looking for a 9mm, I'd check out the Kel-Teck PF9. It's available for about $260-$285. The PF9 has a long and heavy trigger pull (it is kind of a safety). __________________ NRA Benefactor Life Member Knowledge is not power. Applied knowledge is power!

May 13, 2007, 08:18 PM	#19
Webleymkv Senior Member Join Date: July 20, 2005 Location: Indiana Posts: 9,418	There are a lot of surplus CZ 82s on the market that would be a good choice. __________________ Smith, and Wesson, and Me. -H. Callahan Well waddaya know, one buwwet weft! -E. Fudd All bad precedents begin as justifiable measures. -J. Caesar

May 13, 2007, 09:42 PM	#20
cheygriz Senior Member Join Date: May 11, 2002 Location: high up in the rockies Posts: 2,232	Makarov. Preferably East German. Not a real good choice, but if you insist on cheap, it's the best cheap gun out there, and the 9X18 cartridge is as effective as a .380. I certainly can't make your decisions for you, and I wouldn't even if I could. But in my value system, I consider my life, and the lives of my wife and son worth more than the $600-$750 it would cost you to get seomething like a SIG P239, SIG P229, or other top QUALITY defensive handgun. I consider my life is also worth the $20+ per box I pay for premium 9MM ammunition for the little SIG P239. __________________ If you think a mighty military force is expensive, wait 'til you see what a weak one costs.

May 15, 2007, 01:29 AM	#22
gvf Junior member Join Date: July 31, 2006 Posts: 1,226	Used Police Either a snub revolver or a used police sig 225 or other sig, which seems to be at Gander Mountain for one, a number of them. Police-used are often used infrequently though they have a lot of holster wear. But so what, it'll be concealed.

May 15, 2007, 02:13 AM	#23
springmom Senior Member Join Date: October 26, 2005 Location: Houston area Posts: 1,823	Bersas used to be a lot less expensive than they are now. Lots of folks love them. I wanted to love the one I had but every time I fired it, it spat burning gunpowder back onto my hand and arm. Not a great way to spend your day at the range. Look for a good used revolver. There are a LOT of old police revolvers out there, and although you may need to do some shopping around, (and read the sticky on checking out revolvers over on the revolver forum). A J-frame, if it fits your hand, is just about the most concealable thing on earth. I have a S&W m37, from a run that they made for some foreign government that ended up not wanting them. That was their loss and my gain. I love that little gun. But a good Detective Special...any one of many models of .38 or .357 in a 3" barrel, is concealable and shouldn't set you back even as much as a new XD or Glock. One thing: someone suggested a hammerless J-frame. I know all the talk about the hammer getting caught and cocking the revolver, and I'm sure it has happened to somebody. But that hammer means that you can shoot it SA, and unless you're one of those lucky souls that is just born good with DA, you might at some point like to have that option. Just a thought. Happy shopping. Springmom __________________ I will not be a victim home on the web: www.panagia-icons.net (my webpage) www.nousfromspring.blogspot.com (Orthodoxy) "I couldn't hear you. Stop firing the gun while you're talking!" Frank Drebin, The Naked Gun

May 15, 2007, 11:03 AM	#24
Doug.38PR Junior member Join Date: January 18, 2005 Posts: 3,298	You could find a .25 Phoenix Raven for about $75.....I WOULDN"T TRUST MY LIFE WITH IT, but you can if cheap is really what you want. http://www.vpc.org/studies/deadpho.htm You could probably find a Ruger revolver or semi auto for a relatively low price, but it will still be in the 200+ (if it is a used gun) 300+ if a new

May 15, 2007, 07:39 PM	#25
Ala Dan Member in memoriam Join Date: August 14, 1999 Location: In The HOT, Humid, and Mu Posts: 6,117	One of the less expensive Kahr's that has impressed me is the 9m/m CW-9. A fine DAO handgun indeed; with the only drawback being the cost of the extra magazines~! But, then again in most instances I'm armed with some type of 1911 style\ .45 ACP~!