Illegal Aliens rallying across US today

[Doug.38PR]

Here's idea. The governor of each of these states where the rallys are occuring, have the national guard escort these rallying CONFESSED criminals all the way down across the border into Mexico City and leave them to continue their rally and protest there against their own government where it should be.

[UH1-D Rotorhead]

So.....what's your point? Do undocumented human being's have no rights to protest peacefully while in America?

[mxwelch]

Illegals have NO rights in this country. The INS should be loading up buses at these events. Call them "undocumented" all you want. They're illegal aliens.

[UH1-D Rotorhead]

Need to read some law journals fella"...everyone on American soil have rights...documented or otherwise.

[MDman]

"They're illegal aliens"

there people

[cje1980]

The freedom of speech only applies to US citizens as far as I'm aware of. Of course people do not have the right to hold rallies demanding rights from a country in which they are not even legal residents of. The people in question have basic human rights but not much else in this country. The complaints are absolutely absurd. The key issue of these rallies are that the immigration raids are separating families. Illegal hispanic immigrants are constantly separating from their own families. Many times abandoning them. This situation is spiralling out of control. Did you know that Mexico's 2nd largest source of foreign income is remittances, which nearly all come from the US? That is a serious problem and should be a wake-up call to US citizens. The US economy is literally carrying Mexico's with it. I recently read a statistic on a spanish new station that 30% of Mexicans receive money from the US.

[OBIWAN]

Sorry...but if a bunch of murderer's /rapist/thieves, etc....were protesting the death penalty should we just let them go..not try to capture them....you know...since they have a right to protest

What all the bleeding hearts want to ignore is that they are here ILLEGALLY

It is just like big cities.....the ones that crack down on vandalism, broken windows, etc.....

It reduces overall crime.....people see that criminals will not be tolerated

But here we are welcoming millions of criminals with (fairly) open arms

[1BadF350]

Why don't they protest the conditions in their home countries??

Oh, that's right, because they can't.

[junkpile]

So.....what's your point? Do undocumented human being's have no rights to protest peacefully while in America?

No, but I think the point is that they're breaking the law. If a bunch of people who steal cable or make fake licenses get together and hold a rally, I would certainly call them silly, as I believe they're asking for it. (Especially when evidence of their crime is on them, unlike the two things I mentioned).

[mxwelch]

Need to read some law journals fella"...everyone on American soil have rights...documented or otherwise.

I have. About 4 semesters worth of Constitutional law and no where did I learn that people who are here ILLEGALLY, yes, they, under our immigration laws should be arrested, have guaranteed rights under our Constitution.


Using your logic begs the question: Should they be able to vote?

[Doug.38PR]

So.....what's your point? Do undocumented human being's have no rights to protest peacefully while in America?

Illegal aliens are supposed to be deported and/or jailed when found because they are breaking the law. Since these are confessing their crime openly and in mass, send for LE to show them the border or better yet protest in their own country.

there people

you mean they're people. So are burglers, murderers, car thieves, etc.

Need to read some law journals fella"...everyone on American soil have rights...documented or otherwise.

Criminals don't. Do you advocate opening all the jail cells?


Why not do away with INS and the Border Patrol? It makes them something of a joke, when you see the biggest mass of illegal aliens massing in the street and nothing is done about them. But you see two or three sneaking across the desert of Texas and they are seized and/or jailed and deported.

[Hard Ball]

" Do undocumented human being's have no rights to protest peacefully while in America?"

NO! They are illegal alien criminals amd have no auch rights.

[MDman]

America needs these Illegal immigrants, our capitalist society runs off of cheap labor

[40SIG]

Illegals have NO rights in this country. The INS should be loading up buses at these events. Call them "undocumented" all you want. They're illegal aliens.

I would strongly agree with the above statement. I would add to that
GO BACK TO MEXICO WHERE YOU BELONG. We will call you when its pickin time.
Most of them are criminals anyhow.

[cje1980]

So what do you propose? Having them remain illegal? They sure as heck aren't going to work for cheap and under the same conditions once they are granted legal status. 30% of the Mexican population receives Money from the US, your claim that the US economy needs them is pathetic at best. Hispanics (those who volunatirly pay taxes) claim billions of dollars for dependents in their native countries, many times who don't even exist. The very fact that much of their income isn't even invested in the US economy makes it really hard to say that it is in fact cheap labor. It is really the equivalent of workers who make more but invest the money in the US economy.

This combined with the hardships placed on the medical, and public school systems make your claim even more silly. The only people who benefit from illegal aliens are the business owners who hire and exploit them. The average US citizen is being hit with the increased strain that they place on other services. They either don't have a positive affect on the economy or actually have a negative affect.

I don't understand why they aren't protesting about the economic policies of their native countries. I'm certainly no racist as much of my family is hispanic many of whom were illegal aliens at one point. It was one thing when there were just a few million of them but the situation has spiralled completely out of control. The Mexican government rather than fix their economy just wants to make it easier for illegals to send money to relatives in Mexico and let the US fix its economics problems. Your argument holds no water. The US is supporting 30% of the Mexican population. Talk about a wake-up call.

America needs these Illegal immigrants, our capitalist society runs off of cheap labor

[UH1-D Rotorhead]

As some have alluded to, they CANNOT protest in their own countries...that's why they immigrated here...sound familiar? 99.999% of the peoples who come to America have no rights, and America spends an inordinate amount of money and sends thousands of young men and women to foreign shores to being home that point...at a devastating cost in money and lives (Iraq ring a bell). Yes folks....Mexicans are human beings, who have limited, at best, rights in their own country...like the millions before them, they come here for the right to a dignified existance...that is what America is telling the world...

[Doug.38PR]

You are shouting and screaming vague and even questionable abstract ideas trying to sweep us away with some kind of fanatical sensation. Are you at one of these rallys right now?

America is not an abstract idea, it is a country. It is a land like any other that is made up of particular people and culture.

We can't be a third world flop house for the globe.

[UH1-D Rotorhead]

Yep! I'm at a ralley, with my lowrider, my Dos Equis in hand, "screaming" that Cinco de Mayo is right around the corner, and that Tejas was "stolen" from the righteous Chicanos...hay chihuahua Cisco...the gringos are running to the hills....afraid they be set on fire by the Latino heat coming their way....viva Zapata......(attach roll eyes here).

[Doug.38PR]

It wouldn't surprise me one bit. It fits with everything else you've been screaming whether you are Mexican illegal, some other Hispanic person who is illegal or just a fanatical idealogue liberal white guy that has no culture or heritage and doesn't have a clue what those words mean. All you see are vague ideas that you have to implement in the name of compassion to make yourself feel righteous.

As said on the other thread, I'd be a fool to keep going with this discussion.

[Musketeer]

UH-1D Rotorhead,

1. They are criminals. They are here illegally. While they have protections in our law against being beaten, robbed or murderred they still have no RIGHT to be here. Rounding them up and escorting them to the border is wholly appropriate. They did not come to America to protest (unsubstantiatedly assuming they cannot do so at home), they came here for money.

2. Why is every single one of your posts done in bold font? Do you feel the need to be heard above everyone else? It is very close to using all capital letters which is akin to yelling.

[UH1-D Rotorhead]

mouskateer...that is the way my PC is set up...don't like it? Oh well...mis-interpret as you wish...now, stop trying to derail my thoughts with an attack on my font...that's really weak.

[madmag]

What you think is cheap labor is really costing you much more than a higher paid American citizen. It's just that the extra cost is in free welfare programs the illegals use every day. That is why areas with high illegal influx has high property taxes, and hospital closings (as in California) due to the inability to provide for their budgets to provide free medical care to illegals. I have lived in some of those areas. I lived in El Paso. They have some of the highest property taxes in the nation. Why? Because they have to get the money to support free social services for illegals from the property owners. Same in parts of California (also lived there). Why don't you think areas with high illegal influx is not some economic heaven with people just lining up to live there. Most do what we did. Tried to move to an area that has fewer illegals to take care of with free social services.

Now cities, like Gastonia NC, are asking Bank Of America to stop issuing credit cards to illegals. Why? Because it attracts illegal labor and that overloads the local warfare system. So, when you buy an item that you think is cheap due to illegal labor...remember illegal workers don't just quit at 5 and go home. They and their families use the local social services for free. Well not free, you are paying big time.

[wingman]

The big question is how many can America take in, what point does the system fail, roads, schools, medical care, etc. We now number 300 million can we provide room and jobs for India, China, and all of south America. Yes, all things have an end or perhaps a breaking point. If we continue at our present rate of immigration there will be little freedom remaining in a few short years. It is not about race folks it is about numbers.

[Musketeer]

Immigration is a good thing when controlled. A nation needs a steady birth rate of 2.1 or 2.2 to remain viable.

Europe is below that and sufferring. They have allowed tons of North Aftricans to emigrate in order to inflate the resident populations dwindling birth rate but have not integrated them culturally. They are in trouble.

Japan is a wreck. Their brith rate is aroudn 1.0 I believe. They have no immigration to offset the birth rate and and aging population that will soon compeltely stop contributing to the system while costing it plenty.

The USA has a birth rate slightly under 2.0 I believ for the resident population but we offset this with immigration. That could easily be made up for by LEGAL immigration but the ILLEGAL immigration is having a horrible effect. They are here doing the work but they are NOT contributing to the systems that they are costing us. Hospitals, Schools and all sorts of public services in areas hit by the tide of illegals are collapsing. being illegals they are CRIMINALS and areas full of them become criminal areas tied to more crime than simply immigration. In addition by taking lower wages illegally they lower the wages of an entire segment of the LEGAL workforce.

I fully support legal and controlled immigration. What we have now though is lawlessness and criminal behaviour.

[40SIG]

It is very close to using all capital letters which is akin to yelling

The things people like him do best is yell alot and come to rob from hard working American citizens. Oh yeah I almost forgot, They can pick lettuce too.