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Old March 18, 2007, 12:28 PM   #1
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22-250 or 223

I want no exit wounds, mostly coyotes. Do I want the faster bullet for rapid expansion and fragmentation or a slow bullet to keep it from punching all the way through? I am patient and willing to limit myself to shots that do not hit bones such as the shoulder. I have read and velocities of about 3700 with a 40 grain v-max while avoiding the shoulder bones leave no exit wound and only 22 size enterance hole.
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Old March 18, 2007, 12:51 PM   #2
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up to 150 yds a 22 hornet will be the best choice
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Old March 18, 2007, 12:53 PM   #3
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I'd go for explosive expansion. There are a few specialty bullets just for that purpose.

Have you given the 243 any thought?
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Old March 18, 2007, 12:59 PM   #4
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Yes, but when Im not hunting I will use it alot for plinkng and its easier to find 22-250 and 223 in big bulk packages.
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Old March 18, 2007, 01:05 PM   #5
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Both leave big exit wounds!

These both are going to exit a coyote.I've seen these small fast rounds make a mess out of flesh.Look into a 22mag.
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Old March 18, 2007, 03:59 PM   #6
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If you want no exit wounds, go for the 223 with 40 or 45 gr bullets.
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Old March 18, 2007, 09:33 PM   #7
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NO RIMFIRE, sorry but I want a lot more accuracy and distance then any rimfire will give me.
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Old March 18, 2007, 10:12 PM   #8
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I have a little experience with the .22-250. A 52 gr hollow point traveling at 3800+fps= a coyote with its front quarter blown off. It is not the round to use if you want the pelt. A heavier .223 FMJ would be your best bet. It will go through most likely but the holes will be small...
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Old March 18, 2007, 11:09 PM   #9
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Either one of those rounds are going to have complete pass through on most instances. Your best bet would be to use a heavier bullet with a thicker jacket to help minimize the exit wound.
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Old March 18, 2007, 11:27 PM   #10
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How many people are speaking from experience with the ammo I am talking about? Look at this site, http://www.coyotecanada.ca/terminal_ballistics.html , this guy uses a 223 with 40 grain v-max, and look at his examples, from 20 to 300 yards with no exit wound.
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Old March 18, 2007, 11:33 PM   #11
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Speaking from experience....a 280 Ballistic Tip will blow a fist sized exit wound.

Just so ya know what won't work
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Old March 19, 2007, 12:11 AM   #12
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I insist 22 hornet to be best and I have harvested hundreds of coyotes in Texas up to 200 yard but I consider this cartridge best at 150. I prefer to zero the .22 Hornet two inches high at 100 yards the bullet will strike a 200 yard target anywhere from dead on point of aim to an inch or two low. Retained energy at that range usually exceeds 300 ft-lbs.
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Old March 19, 2007, 07:37 AM   #13
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Close in, as in calling at night, I know one guy, a hide-hunter, who uses only a .22 Magnum rimfire. I know that a .22 Hornet or .218 Bee won't make a large exit wound.

Some of the contributors over at one of the varmint websites say that the 40-grain bullets at high velocity blow up inside a coyote and rarely make any exit wound. I don't know; haven't tried that. One of the "Blitz" bullets, driven to near its spin limit, seems quite possible for this.

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Old March 19, 2007, 07:49 AM   #14
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I am not even remotely an expert on htis (I use .270's on coyotes...but I don't worry about the pelt).

What about something like a .221 fireball in a cz 527? Or maybe a .222? It would be best if you handload? Seems like these would be a happy medium between a .22 mag or .22 hornet and a .223/.22-250.
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Old March 19, 2007, 09:44 AM   #15
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I am getting curious in the 22 hornet, I just cant find a make and model of rifle that I like and can afford. Also, I would like to have something that had a little flatter trajectory.
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Speaking from experience, a 22 Hornet is very good, but not very forgiving. The 223 will be a lot more versatile and forgiving of marginal hits. And like I said earlier, use the 40 or 45 gr bullets.
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Old March 19, 2007, 03:40 PM   #17
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I am getting curious in the 22 hornet, I just cant find a make and model of rifle that I like and can afford. Also, I would like to have something that had a little flatter trajectory.
CZ 527 is a nice choice you could also check the new Remington model 799, if you want little flatter trajectory go with 222 rem as Servo77 suggest, 222 rem is my second choice for coyotes and bobcats when I don't want to much pelt damage. This year I will began using a 204 Ruger let see how it performs.
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Old March 19, 2007, 04:43 PM   #18
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My 50gr V-Max's in .22-250Rem rarely exit a yote. Turns the inside to soup though. That's what they are designed to do. Blow up inside. Same thing with the Blitzkings. Get a .22-250Rem. Flat as a laser. At 4000fps, just hold dead on from 0 to 400yds. Great varmint round.
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Old March 19, 2007, 05:35 PM   #19
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I am getting curious in the 22 hornet, I just cant find a make and model of rifle that I like and can afford
How about this one?

http://www.savagearms.com/40Varmint.htm
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Old March 19, 2007, 11:05 PM   #20
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Have you thought about the 204 Ruger? I have been using it for about a year and it has been amazing for me. The 221 fire ball is another good choice if you hand load. The 22 Hornet will cost the least if you reload but like someone already mentioned it will not be as forgiving as the other cartridges listed.
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Old March 20, 2007, 12:58 AM   #21
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Speaking from experience, a 22 Hornet is very good, but not very forgiving. The 223 will be a lot more versatile and forgiving of marginal hits. And like I said earlier, use the 40 or 45 gr bullets.


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Have you thought about the 204 Ruger? I have been using it for about a year and it has been amazing for me. The 221 fire ball is another good choice if you hand load. The 22 Hornet will cost the least if you reload but like someone already mentioned it will not be as forgiving as the other cartridges listed.
maybe you could be right, the 22 hornet could not be as forgiving but it has 85 years in the market
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