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Old June 14, 2007, 08:28 AM   #276
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Old June 14, 2007, 04:56 PM   #277
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Engloid ,

I suppose if you carpooled, you could say you're serving your country. But that's not what this thread is about, and anybody reading past the 1st couple posts knows it. Very few private sector jobs ask you to put your life on the line ( acknowledgements to LE ), or move your family time & time again. Or move you to a place you can't bring your family for extended periods. But even those jobs always have the option to say " I quit, I'm going home." Do that in the military, and there's a good chance you'll go to prison.

Does not matter what you might be cranking out at the job. Even if it's something the military really needs. Doing that vs actually serving in uniform, does not equate.

If your young enough, you should give it a shot. Most of us are very glad we did.

And nobody here is fishing for a pat on the back. We don't need one.

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Old June 14, 2007, 05:05 PM   #278
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I'm curious, do you guys think people who work for private security companies or as the media hounds like to dub them "mercernaries" are serving their country?

I've seen a whole bunch of them while I was in Iraq. A lot of them are prior servicemembers who utilize their experience or skills to do either the same job as the military or jobs that the military won't or can't do, but for more money and no bureaucratic bs.

I'm still hung up on them myself. I don't have a problem with them though, I think I might be leaning towards yes because in some form, they are contributing to the same cause...

Interested to hear from the older guys who served in different wars, different times, even though this thing isn't "new" at all eg. the Hessians.
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Old June 15, 2007, 08:24 AM   #279
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I'm curious, do you guys think people who work for private security companies or as the media hounds like to dub them "mercernaries" are serving their country?

I've seen a whole bunch of them while I was in Iraq. A lot of them are prior servicemembers who utilize their experience or skills to do either the same job as the military or jobs that the military won't or can't do, but for more money and no bureaucratic bs.

I'm still hung up on them myself. I don't have a problem with them though, I think I might be leaning towards yes because in some form, they are contributing to the same cause...

Interested to hear from the older guys who served in different wars, different times, even though this thing isn't "new" at all eg. the Hessians.
Yes. Simply for the reason that they get killed while trying to do a job for the US Govt. That and they are killing terrorists.


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Old June 15, 2007, 11:41 AM   #280
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Necessary

It is an unfortunate situation all around but without 'private military contractors' we couldn't do what we are doing in the Middle East right now, especially in the Iraqi theater. You hit the nail on the head on the most important point; they are not as stringently adhered to the Geneva Convention as we were in uniform in my time and these men and women are now. Maybe things are supposed to be on some type of rule guided platform but I was a Marine and as such, I'm all for sinking to the level of the enemy (short of indiscriminate bombing of civilians). They use an IED, kill some of our troops in an ambush, we kill twenty more of them.

I think the real trick at this point would be to seal the Syrian and Iranian border to prevent the flow of weapons/material/munitions in and the flow of retreating/cowardly bastards out.
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Old July 4, 2007, 09:45 PM   #281
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Served in the AF from 76-82 SAC, worked for the reserves for several years, transferred over to the Mississippi ANG, worked as recovery mech on tanks, medically discharged in 88, after working in the civilian world all these years, I never thought I would come to the day, but I do miss the military.
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Old July 4, 2007, 09:50 PM   #282
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Old July 5, 2007, 06:11 AM   #283
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Navy (aviation) 4 years, Army (Cavalry) 3 years, Coast Guard (Search and rescue and drug interdiction) 8 years. Civil Air Patrol (Air Force Auxiliary) search and rescue in Alaska 5 years. Tired and retired.

I served because I wanted to. Money was never the issue. I did what I did for the adventure, the excitement and the fun. I never asked anyone to honor me or to reward me. If I was decorated, I didn't ask for it. The reward was in saving lives and challenging myself. I was proud to wear the uniform, and I am proud that I did.

I also served in three police departments, for the same reasons. My retirement is non-existent, my wounds ache, My ears don't work well and my back hurts. I give all of that for my country and glad to do it. This is the greatest place to live on the planet. And worth all of it.
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Old July 5, 2007, 06:41 AM   #284
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My $0.02: "Private warfighting contractors" are not "serving their country." Using gunslingers to circumvent civilian control of the military and the Geneva Convention is a disgusting insult to every person who has sworn to support and defend the Constitution of the United States.
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Old July 5, 2007, 08:34 AM   #285
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Old July 5, 2007, 08:36 PM   #286
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Old July 15, 2007, 08:41 PM   #287
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Old July 15, 2007, 10:36 PM   #288
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Old July 16, 2007, 01:12 AM   #289
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Old July 17, 2007, 04:33 PM   #290
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No. Turned 18 in 1971 but my birthdate based draft lottery number kept me from having to serve. Thanks, Mom. No regrets there given the circumstances at the time. Recently we hosted four out of town groomsmen and the groom for a Marine wedding held at our church. The bride was also Marine Reserve. All of the men had pulled tours in either Iraq or Afganistan. Very impressive. Very.
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Old July 18, 2007, 09:39 AM   #291
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Old July 18, 2007, 10:57 PM   #292
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Old October 16, 2012, 07:39 AM   #293
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Old October 16, 2012, 07:58 AM   #294
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Old October 16, 2012, 01:38 PM   #295
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Old October 16, 2012, 03:19 PM   #296
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Old October 16, 2012, 03:34 PM   #297
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Nope I have never been in the military. With the stomach issues I have had since I was a teenager I doubt I would have been accepted and even if I was I couldn't have survived it. Don't get me wrong though. I have a ton of respect for most of our military and veterans. I've met a few pieces of trash that were in the military but the good people probably outnumber them thousands to one.
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Old October 16, 2012, 03:46 PM   #298
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Old October 16, 2012, 04:00 PM   #299
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Old October 16, 2012, 04:07 PM   #300
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