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Old March 13, 2007, 04:01 PM   #1
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Does this item require NFA paperwork?

I was just browsing through www.impactguns.com & came across this item.

http://www.impactguns.com/store/SER-SS12.html

How's that for concealed carry? Seriously, I know machine guns & suppressors need a $200 tax stamp but what about this gun?
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Old March 13, 2007, 04:15 PM   #2
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Yes it does. Though I forgot weather or not it falls under the "AOW" class which should only require a $5 tax stamp instead of $200.
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Old March 13, 2007, 04:19 PM   #3
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I just saw that it just requires the $5 stamp. Shame you have to be 21 to get items like SBS & suppressors . At least now I have a goal when I turn 21. Only 2 years to go.
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Old March 13, 2007, 04:22 PM   #4
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the SUPER-SHORTY is considered an AOW (Any Other Weapon) and can be transferred with a $5 stamp

$5 bucks, seems like it would be no fun to shoot more than once though...
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Old March 13, 2007, 05:26 PM   #5
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What a useless POS.

Blown patterns.

Low velocity/poor penetration.

No capacity. (3)

Painful recoil.

POS on all levels.

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Old March 13, 2007, 05:41 PM   #6
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Why would anyone want that type of shotgun????????????????hpg
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Old March 13, 2007, 05:54 PM   #7
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Why would anyone want that type of shotgun????????????????


Concealed Carry ? Zombie scenarios?
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Old March 13, 2007, 05:55 PM   #8
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If someone was being annoying and talking big at the range, you could say, "yeah that gun is pretty big. Here, try this, I think you might like it." Problem solved
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Old March 13, 2007, 07:32 PM   #9
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Saw a documentary on Discovery channel a few years back. It showed a couple of U.S. Marshals using guns like that while providing security for a Federal Judge. All they said about the gun was that it was very effective at taking out threats very quickly and at very short range.
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Old March 13, 2007, 09:04 PM   #10
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Isn't that Ricco's shotgun from Miami Vice? None the less I love the look of that gun. Imagine trying to shoot a 2 oz. magnum turkey load from that thing.
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Old March 14, 2007, 06:40 AM   #11
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You'll probably get muzzle velocities of 600 fps at best.

It's useless jewelry for a gunslinger wannabee.

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Old March 14, 2007, 08:22 AM   #12
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I suspect something like that would only have real utility for breaching applications.
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Old March 14, 2007, 12:13 PM   #13
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It showed a couple of U.S. Marshals using guns like that while providing security for a Federal Judge.
IIRC, the Marshal Service uses 14" barrels on theirs.
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Old March 14, 2007, 06:34 PM   #14
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This gun has a 6 1/2" barrel. Anyone shoot a shotgun like this through a chronograph?
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Old March 14, 2007, 08:15 PM   #15
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Good lord....some of your reasons decrying the existance of this resembles that
I see in the newspapers. Why have Saturday Night Special, oooh..an assault
weapon, a pen gun, a 50 BMG rifle, etc etc. Tools for the task, folks. I've
shot mini slugs out of that puppy and the effects from this midget is very
impressive. Just be realistic when you grab this, what its limitations are and
if it's applicable for your task.

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I just saw that it just requires the $5 stamp. Shame you have to be 21 to get items like SBS & suppressors . At least now I have a goal when I turn 21. Only 2 years to go
Not so sure that you need to be 21 anymore. A report from someone that
they've just been approved who is younger. Difficult to confirm at this time.
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Old March 16, 2007, 11:43 AM   #16
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This falls into the Class III catagory. A class 3 dealer I know sells them and he said you have to get the $200 stamp to own one.
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Old March 16, 2007, 12:09 PM   #17
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This falls into the Class III catagory. A class 3 dealer I know sells them and he said you have to get the $200 stamp to own one.
Nope, it is a $5 AOW. Now, if you want to put a full stock on in place of the pistol grip, then it becomes a SBR and will require the $200 stamp.
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Old March 16, 2007, 12:10 PM   #18
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omg can't beleive it ! I think I need one of these for my position down at the mall! Combind with ninja boots you could hand upside down and take out the bg's from above!!!
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Old March 16, 2007, 05:07 PM   #19
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This falls into the Class III catagory. A class 3 dealer I know sells them and he said you have to get the $200 stamp to own one.
like David said, $5 transfer tax on an AOW. for your information, had the receiver
been registered and equipped with a shoulder stock sometime during its
manufacture/birth, then yes, it would be a SBS and then the $200 transfer
would be applicable.

But in this specific case, Mark Serbu converted this from a Mossberg Maverick
which was released by Mossberg as a pistol-gripped-sans-shoulder-stocked
firearm, thus it is an AOW.

Note that Serbu also has created similar using Remington 870s which left the
Remington factory in both pistol gripped, as well as shoulder stocked firearms.
As such, the 'shorty' would be AOW ($200 manuf tax....$5 transfer tax-from
the pistol gripped), or SBS ($200 manufacturing and transfer tax-from the
shoulder stocked firearm).

You need not be a Class 3 to transfer these. Use of that term is technically
incorrect as that is the SOT term for a dealer.

AOWs, SBSs, SBRs, MGs, SIs are properly referred to as Title 2 firearms.
Title 1 firearms are those you and I normally find at local gunstores (garden
variety rifle, pistol shotguns).

Class 2 is the term used to decribe manufacturers of Title 2 firearms.
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