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Old March 13, 2007, 06:40 PM   #26
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I don't like the price tag on the 7 mm ammo. But then again my dad has a reloading die for it so...

BTW is there a difference between 7 mm STW and 7 mm rem mag? or is STW just a model.
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Old March 13, 2007, 06:58 PM   #27
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STW is stends for Shooting Times Western and has more power than a 7 MM Remington Magnum. Go here ant take a look a several not so common calibers.
If price is a concern you not gonna like the STW for sure.
If your wanting that kinda power take a look at Remingtons new 7 MM Ultra Mag too. Check out the 300 ultra mag while your at this site.

http://www.accuratereloading.com/reload.html
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Old March 13, 2007, 09:47 PM   #28
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yeah my dad has an STW. I thought they were pretty close. That thing is fun to shoot tho and it's li9ke around 60¢ a round for him to get reloads. I think it's that much. Might be closer to 20 or 30. I'll have to ask. And I'll have to change my sig.
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Old March 13, 2007, 10:04 PM   #29
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Long range: I say 338.
Best all around: 30-06 (I also really like the 35 Whelan...but its rare)
Close range: 45-70

I didn't include the 300 because the bullets are more than the '06, the kick is a lot more than the '06, but the gain isn't worth it IMO.
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Old March 17, 2007, 06:23 AM   #30
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I've killed many elk with my .308 carbine and plain 180 grain ammo. Most shots have been about 225 yards or closer. These bullets do not bounce OFF!

Most Easterners I've met show up with a new magnum rifle they've rarely fired. When will they ever learn, when will they ever learn?

I attended grade school in Powell. Grandad's ranch was off that road which leads to Garland.

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Old March 17, 2007, 09:44 PM   #31
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I will probably catch some heck for this. I just bought a Tikka T3 Hunter in the new .338 Federal. Ballistics look pretty good. Time will tell.
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Old March 17, 2007, 10:25 PM   #32
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That T3 is a very nice rifle. And the new .338 Federal is supposed to be a great round for deer and elk.

Nice choice!
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Old March 17, 2007, 11:33 PM   #33
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Maybe someone will buy a 338 federal and can give us a range report on it. There was some discussion about if the true factory loading performance can be duplicated with handloads? Something about Federal using a blend of powders to achive the ballistics of the 338 federal.
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Old March 18, 2007, 01:06 PM   #34
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Do you want to buy a new rilfe? a 300 win mag will be the best pick and ammo isn't expensive comparing it to other 300's, now if your dad already owns a 7 STW and a 7mag you really don't need to worry

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Old March 20, 2007, 10:21 AM   #35
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30-06 ammo is easy to find if I lose mine

I had an extra BBL for my Model 742, 30-06 so, I had it cut down to carbine length. It is so quick and handy, and will kill anything in our Colorado woods, with the 165 grain Hornady BTSP Interlock bullet. Most of our shots are 200 yards or less, and I wouldn't shoot any further than about 250 of 300 anyway.

It is important to be able to find amo easily in small towns or another hunting camp, and the 06 is the most popular. I love my .280 Remington in the Model 740, but ammo is too hard to find.
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Old March 22, 2007, 07:24 PM   #36
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So-called average bull elk is rarely heavier than 700 lbs. Many cows and young bulls weigh in about 550 - 600 lbs. These are not moose sized at all.
The myths & legends about armor-plating are always make me laugh out loud!

Just about any good rifle cartridge will get the job done. Shot placement to destroy both lungs is a good choice for longer shots. But the old timers I knew in the 1960's shot into the neck-to-shoulder joint with their 30-30's or 300 Savage lever rifles and folded elk right where they stood. No kidding!

Things have changed across the Western USA states. More 4-wheelers plus early archery seasons have caused elk to be warier and less easy to approach. Sensible elk cartridges like the .308 or 30-06 are tough to beat at distances out to about 225 yards or so. The new 308 Marlin cartridge and older 444 should not be ignored.

A hunter who is conviced that a magnum is best for elk should focus upon more shooting practise than the non-magnum hunter. Sadly, the opposite is often the norm.

Good hunting to you.
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Old March 22, 2007, 10:14 PM   #37
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how about a mosin?
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Old March 23, 2007, 12:03 AM   #38
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Another Option

A strong pellet gun with quality pellets should be considered.
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Old March 23, 2007, 12:11 AM   #39
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I'm an old 338 and 340 man, but today, I use the 300 with good bullets for lond shots on Elk and the 30-06 for most hunting on Elk, as i did when I was very yound. It seems I ended up back shooting what my father liked.
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Old March 23, 2007, 07:53 AM   #40
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HAHA, ya, I hear GAMO makes some bonded alloy pellets ment for hog hunting you may want to give a try.
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Old March 23, 2007, 08:27 PM   #41
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Discussions about what it takes to topple an elk will continue long after I'm dead and buried. But local small town stores across the North American Rocky Mts. will still sell stacks of 30-06 ammo. Some things won't change much.

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Old March 23, 2007, 11:22 PM   #42
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7 Mag is hard to beat

I used it for years, with a 175 grain bullet at 2900 fps. and a 120 grain at 3300 fps. They were both on at the same poi @ 100 and 300 yards. Good for hogs and elk. I use a .280 and 30-06 now. The .280 is a couple of hundred fps slower than the 7 mag. The 06 is a great all around gun for all North American game.

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Old March 24, 2007, 12:09 PM   #43
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Discussions about what it takes to topple an elk will continue long after I'm dead and buried. But local small town stores across the North American Rocky Mts. will still sell stacks of 30-06 ammo. Some things won't change much.

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Thats the best reply I've read yet on this subject.
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