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Old March 3, 2007, 09:14 AM   #1
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Please help ID this Vintage Remington Automatic Shotgun.

I am a pistol nut and know very little about shotguns. Any information about the attached shotgun would be appreciated. I am in the process of cleaning it up and looking for a new stock , due to a cracked piece that is missing in the top grip area by the receiver. Thanks! Dave
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Old March 3, 2007, 09:37 AM   #2
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That sir, is a Remington Model 11 (Browning Auto-5 clone).

Browning couldn't get an American company interested in his design so he took it to Belgium where FN produced it. After seeing how wildly popular is was becomming, Remington bought the rights to produce it here.

At one point, Savage also produced one.

Copied from Gunbroker:
MADE BY REMINGTON BETWEEN 1905 & 1910,UNDER CONTRACT WITH JOHN M. BROWNING,THE A-5 "HUMPBACK" IS A 5 SHOT SEMI-AUTO 12GA. SHOTGUN. 2.75" CHAMBER,SAFETY IN FRONT OF TRIGGER INSIDE THE TRIGGER GUARD.
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Old March 3, 2007, 09:44 AM   #3
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lockedcj7 : Thanks for the reply. I was baffled when I saw the Remington engraving because I thought it looked exactly like the Browning. I tried to remove the barrel and it doesn't budge! Does it just pull out or is there a trick to its removal? Maybe it just needs some lube to un-freeze it?? Can this be shot safely with current ammo? How can I tell what choke the barrel is? Any precautions at all to take? Thanks for taking the time to answer:-)! Any collector value in just OK shape? Dave
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Old March 3, 2007, 10:55 AM   #4
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I have pone of these and was going to install a poly chole taken from a 1911 Winchester barrel. Turns out the proposed re-fit on the Remington wouldn't work as there was an issue of bore sizes and gap between the barrel and the forcing cone ofthe adjustable choke.

So I decided to go instead with a screw in choke in Improved Cylinder which permits improvised skeet shooting. Guns of that era are nice traditional items. Nice to have a gun to fit each decade.
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Old March 3, 2007, 01:29 PM   #5
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fspic : may I ask what screw in choke system did you use?
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Old March 4, 2007, 08:02 AM   #6
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Sure thing, one neat thing about those guns was the recoil system. Place the butt on the floor (with the gun UNLOADED) and grasp the barrel with your hand. Shove the barrel down into the action. Ain't that cool! It acts just like an artillery piece!

I don't know how they come apart so I'm no help there but I thought you unscrewed the magazine cap, slid off the forearm and then just pulled the bbl out.

They were made in many configurations, even as a short barreled trench gun. If it has a 28" barrel, then it's probably a full choke. Any gun shop should have a choke gauge that will tell you for sure. It should be safe with 2.75" loads but have a gunsmith look at it if you have any doubt. Don't shoot steel in it. The choke is too tight and you will damage the barrel (and possibly yourself). I don't have a clue as to collector value but it will be less than a comparable Browning.
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Old March 4, 2007, 12:41 PM   #7
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The dreaded "widowmaker" action. Gotta love that cocking proceedure!
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Old March 7, 2007, 10:55 AM   #8
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Take down on R11

Gun takes down identical to the Browning A-5. Their instructions apply. Cock the bolt-remove mag cap/lift off forend/ barrel removes forward. Remington sent out a warning on these guns back in the 1980's. Their production was stopped in 1947. An addition they made that the Browning doesn't have is a buffer pad at the rear of the receiver. Its held in with a rivet. Due to the age of these guns, many have been reblued since they stopped production. Hot blueing salts destoy the buffer pad, eaving the rivet in place. The rivet is directly in line with the pimer. If the gun is placed down on the butt with quite a bit of force the gun will fire!! When you disassemble your gun make sure that buffer pad is in place !
I've had to replace pads on quite a few customers guns since I got the notice. Hope that answers your question?
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Old March 7, 2007, 09:18 PM   #9
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Thanks everyone for the replies :-). I was able to pull the barrel off by pulling REALLY hard. After cleaning well, I could see" FULL" engraged at the rear of the barrel. I have also looked at detailed breakdown pics of the Browning and I am obviously missing a recoil ring. I was advised to pick one up and install prior to shooting. My gun dates between 1905-1910.
Thanks again! Dave
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