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Old February 12, 2007, 01:31 AM   #1
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Glock 19 or 23

Hey everyone I have been looking at the Glock 19 and 23 and I just can't make up my mind. The guys at the gun shop always tell me to go with a higher caliber and that kind of bothers so I am hoping you guys can help me out with this. I am looking to get a home protection/ Range/ carry hand gun and I know I want to stick with Glock and with the 19 or 23 I just can't figure out what caliber I want to use. I feel comfortable shooting each one and I can control them both about the same. I like the 19 because it is slightly cheaper and I will be going to the range at least 2 times a month but I like the .40 cal because of its stopping power. As of now I am thinking of going with the 19 because of the cheaper ammo and I have read many insane reviews of the legendary 19. I guess I am looking for your opinions on the 19 and 23 and which one you guys would recommend for a do all hand gun.

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Old February 12, 2007, 01:45 AM   #2
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reasons to go with the 19

-platform was designed around the 9mm, more reliable

-9mm is cheaper which means more practice

-recoil is slightly less, better follow up shots

-with a premium hollowpoint there is not a huge advantage with the .40, they are pretty close.

but go with what you are most comfortable/confident with
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Old February 12, 2007, 03:10 AM   #3
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Go with the 19, I got the the 23 it's good but a bit jumpy. I've wondered about the 19 or the 32. Don't know but someone is gonna argue about getting the 23 and a barrel conversion. It just sounds like extra money to me.

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Old February 12, 2007, 03:37 AM   #4
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Go with the 19. I've got the 23 myself and kinda wish I would have went with the 19. As said above, with different ammo these days there isn't too much of a difference in stopping power between the 9mm and .40 S&W. Either one is a great round though and you'll be happy with which ever you chose.
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Old February 12, 2007, 03:46 AM   #5
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I have experience with the following Glock models: 19,22,23,and 27. What do I own now? TWO G19s With the G19 you still get full size performance out of a compact gun. Practice ammo is affordable. Recoil is minimal. Accuracy and reliability are outstanding. I don't buy into the whole 40S&W is MORE powerful than 9mm. One thing the ballisticians agree on is that if you use good defensive ammunition the major self defense calibers perform similarly. I know I don't feel underarmed with my G19 loaded with 124gr+p Gold Dots.
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Old February 12, 2007, 11:46 AM   #6
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I thought about getting the 23 and a conversion but I really don't want to spend that much money. I would just kick in the extra cash and buy another handgun if I wanted to shoot 2 different calibers.

Well it looks like you guys are saying what I expected. I think I will be going with the 19 I was kinda leaning that way as it was. Thanks for the input Please keep posting I would like to hear other opinions on the two.

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Old February 12, 2007, 12:18 PM   #7
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19, Mainly because you're new. Don't beat yourself up with a 40 yet...leave that to the LEO's. I've had 9's, 40's and 45's, the 40 being downright unpleasant to shoot. That thing got sold pronto.

Also you may want to look at getting a .22 conversion slide for your Glock if they make them (Ceiner?). They have multiple uses.
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Old February 12, 2007, 12:29 PM   #8
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G23

Myself I like the more powerful .40sw so I picked the G23 I had a 9mm and IMHO it's not the best choice for defence Just my thoughts on this subject.
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Old February 12, 2007, 05:36 PM   #9
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Myself I like the more powerful .40sw so I picked the G23 I had a 9mm and IMHO it's not the best choice for defence Just my thoughts on this subject.
Care to validate?
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Old February 12, 2007, 06:14 PM   #10
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blah... he doesnt need to validate anything, he only said it was his opinion half a dozen times. let him have his opinion, when he starts stating it as fact, then I guess you can get on to him
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Old February 12, 2007, 06:17 PM   #11
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I own and use both. Can I please make a suggestion?
get the G30. The bigger caliber IS better for personal defense, the G30 is the MOST accurate compact GLOCK. the .45 ACP has better loads available for it than the .40 and is more potent than both.

If economy and practice and shooting a lot is your thing get the G19. If personal / home defense and shooting every once and awhile is your thing please go rent and shoot the 30.

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Old February 12, 2007, 06:30 PM   #12
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19 or 23

I've carried and shot my 19 for over 10 years without a problem. One of the patrol deputies I know told me the .40 are more prone to jams than the 9. If you like the 9mm, (I do) go ahead and get one.
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Old February 12, 2007, 06:40 PM   #13
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Here it comes along with the inevitable thread closing due to the ensuing urinating contest.
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Old February 12, 2007, 07:20 PM   #14
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I like the G23. It was my first handgun so I became acclimated to it farily quickly, the recoil is not a problem for me and follow up shots are not difficult. I just like the 23 b/c it a higher calibre in the same package as the smaller calibre.
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Old February 12, 2007, 07:23 PM   #15
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G19 for all the reasons. And a big +1 on the cost of ammo. My G19 has 22,000 rounds through it... do the math...
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Old February 12, 2007, 07:24 PM   #16
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I don't think so.

we've all seen the .50 bmg hit that guy in the chest. There is no such thing as knock-down power. We've had coroners in here saying that destroying organs, bleeding out and spinal column injuries are what "stops" bad guys.

Therefore, the biggest, deepest penetrating, most jagged piece of metal is going to have the most chance of putting the bg down.

Don't get me wrong, Im a 9mm fan myself, it's cheap, accurate, and fun to shoot. When I have to stop someone who wants to hurt my family, I'll go with the .45

The glock 30 is downright PLEASANT to shoot. WAY better in every aspect than the 23. It's MORE accurate, recoils slower, and makes bigger holes.

No one ever listens to me, if they did, they'd buy a g19 for fun and a g30 for defense.
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Old February 12, 2007, 07:27 PM   #17
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Maybe a .22

For fun they have the .22s
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Old February 12, 2007, 07:36 PM   #18
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I've owned both.

And the G19 gets the nod from me. The reasons are:

1. It's my himble opinion that Glock perfected their design with their 9MM models.

2. 9mm rounds are cheaper to practice with. You will end up shooting the gun more, and the more you shoot the better you'll get.

3. I wouldn't worry too much about the ballistic issues of the modern 9MM rounds. Bullet design has come a long way, and if you decide you want more power, +P and +P+ rounds are readily available in 9MM.

4. One more round capacity like dogloose said.

5. Handling, though as you've stated you can shoot both calibers equally well.
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Old February 12, 2007, 07:41 PM   #19
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glock 19 for the simple fact ammo is way cheaper and is a stone cold reliable pistol
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Old February 12, 2007, 08:31 PM   #20
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Trust your life to a 9mm?

If you are going to trust your life to a 9mm I advise getting a copy of the book Fire Power written by Chris Dempster and Dave Tomkins. Read the true facts about how effective the 9mm is when used in real combat. Then make up your minds about using a 9mm for defending your life.
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Old February 12, 2007, 09:44 PM   #21
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As you know, the G19 will save you hundreds of dollars over a lifetime due to ammo costs. With 15 rounds in each magazine, I wouldn't worry about stopping power.
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Old February 13, 2007, 05:53 AM   #22
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Vote for the G19

I had a 23 and sold it, didn't like the recoil or the cost of ammo. I love my G19.


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Old February 13, 2007, 10:42 AM   #23
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The G19

It will do everything the .40 will do

Glocks are best in 9mm...less issues and they last forever

Inexpensive practice

The G19 is rapidly becoming the AK47 of handguns...you see them everywhere
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Old February 13, 2007, 11:19 AM   #24
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Great all purpose and less expensive ammo. The stopping power differences are more illusory than real with modern quality rounds.

If you want a bigger boom - the 45s are fun but expensive to shoot.
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Old February 13, 2007, 11:30 AM   #25
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Please give a few examples

QuoteThe stopping power differences are more illusory than real with modern quality rounds.):End of quote.

Please give a few examples to backup your post.
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