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Old February 3, 2007, 04:16 PM   #1
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CLAYS load data help-45ACP

New to handloading. Does anyone have any suggesstions on a Clays powder charge (Start & Max) for 45ACP....200 GR JSWC? Hodgdon's web site has 3.6-4.3 for LSWC & 3.9-4.3 for JHP.

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Old February 3, 2007, 04:31 PM   #2
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Here's ya a link to get all kinds of data. Some of this is not from manuals and I would suggest comparing the data shown to a loading manual. Usually, this website monitors and will delete any dangerous data but they can't catch all of it all of the time. Always refer to a loading manual and use these as a starting guide.
http://www.handloads.org/loaddata/de...Powder&Source=

Just in case you don't have the link, here's Hodgdon
http://www.hodgdon.com/data/pistol/45acp.php

If you don't have a manual and need data only, the Lee manual has more data than any.
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Old February 3, 2007, 04:56 PM   #3
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My standard load for the .45ACP using ordinary Clays and a 200g LSWC is 3.9g.

Softer and cleaner than most, as accurate as any.
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Old February 3, 2007, 05:32 PM   #4
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There are some loads on this page:

http://www.reloadammo.com/

for .45ACP using Clays and Universal. They're probably pretty much maximum loads.
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Old February 3, 2007, 05:34 PM   #5
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Thanks. Have been looking at those sites and Lyman 47 manual.

So, not meaning to be dumb, ...like I said...new at this...and maybe I'm being too detailed,.... 3.9 of Clays sounds like it would be good for a Lead SWC....but, would that be good for a Jacketed SWC?....how much lower could I go?....highest?

I know I should experiment some, but a man has to know his limitations...as Harry Callahan would say.....
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Old February 3, 2007, 10:11 PM   #6
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I've used from 3.9 to 4.3 of Clays with jacketed SWC's. They all functioned fine and gave good to excellent accuracy with no signs of excessive pressure. My S&W PC1911 likes 4.0 best.

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Old February 3, 2007, 10:16 PM   #7
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Sorry, forgot to specify bullet weight with the load data: 200gr.

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Old February 4, 2007, 12:22 AM   #8
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I'm confused. When load data is for "Clays", are they talking about


Clays:


or

Universal Clays


http://www.hodgdon.com/smokeless/shotpist.php
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Old February 4, 2007, 01:26 AM   #9
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Anon,

CLAYS is what you want for 45acp..

universal clays along with international clays IS NOT GOOD FOR 45 ACP

VERY BAD JUJU
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Old February 4, 2007, 07:35 AM   #10
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Hmmmmm......

According to their website http://www.hodgdon.com/smokeless/shotpist.php :

UNIVERSALâ„¢ Clays handles the broadest spectrum of cartridges for both pistol and shotgun. From the 25 ACP to the 44 magnum...
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Old February 4, 2007, 09:05 AM   #11
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I use universal in my .45 loads, works great. 3.9gr Clays with 230gr Rainiers, very accurate 730fps. For a little hotter load I use 5.6gr Universal, 230gr fmj.
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Old February 5, 2007, 03:43 PM   #12
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The naming fiasco of the "Clays Family" of powders is one of the worst attempts to label something intelligibly (let alone GUNPOWDER, where accuracy of nomenclature is so important) I've ever seen. I refer to the three powders only as Clays, International, and Universal.
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Old February 6, 2007, 12:31 AM   #13
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Clays for me in the .45 so far. 200 gr LSWC from Oregon Laser Cast, Precision, Master Blaster or Penn. 3.9 to 4.2 gr. OAL 1.25. I use the Lee Factory Crimp Die as well, to .069-.070 outside diameter. Have also ran the same loads with the 200 gr LRN. 3.9 works fine with the 230 gr RN as well. Watch these for too much powder or too short OAL as this powder will pressure spike on you. Very safe at the listed weights. Do not double charge.
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Old November 27, 2007, 10:50 PM   #14
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Is anyone but me using Tight Group??? Excellent results! 1.250 OAL with 4.8 grains of powder with an Extreme 200Gr plated RN. Has been great results in USPSA matches for me..
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Old December 2, 2007, 01:59 PM   #15
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I use Clays, International and Universal for 45 acp. Seems only in USA do reloaders talk about clays and in the monority Universal. Never International Clays. ADI of Australia makes the powder and they list loads for all 3 (their powders are named ADI 30, 50 and 70 respectively)
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