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Old January 29, 2007, 01:18 AM   #1
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Oregon Trail Laser-Cast Bullets

Does anyone who has used these "silver bullets" care to share experiences? How much of what powder should sit under their 158 gr. swc bb bullet?

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Old January 29, 2007, 08:20 AM   #2
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They are good quality commercial cast bullets with a good deal of advertising hype. At my load levels their hardness and silver content have no advantage over other brands of equal quality.

What calibre?
If .38 Special, I use at or near the top standard pressure load of any given fast or medium-fast powder. My usual load is from Lyman and is heavier than what Winchester shows for that combination so I will not post the "recipe."
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Old January 29, 2007, 03:22 PM   #3
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Great bullets. I buy them by the thousands! I picked up another 4,000 158 swc's this weekend at cabelas in ft worth (I cleaned them out!).

I normally load with Unique but am switching over to trailboss for 38 special. Any recent load book will have load data.
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Old January 29, 2007, 10:09 PM   #4
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I use trail boss powder under their 200 gr RNFP for 45 colt. Works great. You might need a VERY recent reloading manual to find trail boss data. Better to go to Hodgdon's site (owns IMR, who makes trail boss) for load data.

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Old January 29, 2007, 11:20 PM   #5
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I love 'em.

Just stay away from Titegroup powder with them. Burns fast enough and hot enough to cause leading. Slower powders should be fine.

I like Titegroup with plated bullets. It just doesn't do well with lead bullets.
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Old January 30, 2007, 12:07 AM   #6
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Tried 'em once. Really lked 'em! But damn they're expensive!
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Old January 30, 2007, 12:49 AM   #7
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Dave, what kind of loads were you using?

I've shot Laser Cast 44's (240gr RNFP) with Titegroup at low cowboy levels (4.5gr to 6gr)and didn't have a problem with leading. Now, I will admit to leading from 7.5gr of titegroup and up. But for the slower plinking rounds, I haven't experienced leading.

On the other hand, I've loaded the same bullet with H110 beyond max, and haven't had a problem.
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Old January 30, 2007, 12:52 AM   #8
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Lazercast

Haven't used them in pistols yet, but I have used them (405gr/500gr)in .45-70 and .458 Win Mag (reduced loads). I have found them to be very good bullets.
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Old January 30, 2007, 06:49 PM   #9
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For those using lasercast and pushing the bullet fast (ie, near max pressure) are you using a gas check too? I thought if you use a cast or lead bullet, you need a gas check unless you're keeping it below 1000 fps.
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Old January 30, 2007, 07:15 PM   #10
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According to the people I talked to at Oregon Trails, you can load these to the same heavy specs that you would load a jacketed bullet.

So no. I don't use gas checks.
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Old January 30, 2007, 07:20 PM   #11
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Antipitas,

Do you have a recommended load for 44mag, 200 gr RN Lasercast and Unique?
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Old January 30, 2007, 07:22 PM   #12
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I use hodgdon Lil'Gun powder for my 38+357 cast bllts
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Old January 30, 2007, 10:26 PM   #13
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Antipitas, the load that was leading so bad on me was .45acp, with the 200gr. Laser-Cast bullet, and 5.2gr of Titegroup. That's a below-max load, under 1,000 fps. No gas check.

When I switched to 7.5gr. Unique, the leading stopped. (But soot production increased.)

I still use TiteGroup with a Berry's plated bullet, for .45acp.
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Old January 31, 2007, 12:41 AM   #14
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I like them alot. Don't have to worry about leading like one has to with softer bullets. (Still check of course to see if there is leading.) I use them in .357 Mag, 45 Colt, and 45 Auto. No leading in either the 45 Auto or .357 and superb accuracy in 45 Colt. You get jacketed performance at lead price.

Only bad thing is that I can't use them in the Desert Eagle I am buying, I'll try some plated bullets and see how well they work.
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Old January 31, 2007, 01:40 AM   #15
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plated bullets?

I have seen some, and they still have lube in the groove. Those would not be a good idea in a Desert Eagle. Bullet lube can plug up the gas system just as lead can. Might be easier to get out though. I would avoid it on principle. I have shot nothing but jacketed bullets in the DEs I have had, with no gas port problems.
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Old January 31, 2007, 07:49 AM   #16
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AFman: Sorry guy. I quit using Unique before I started using lead.

Dave R: That seems strange to me. But I've read of several others who have had leading problems when using Titegroup.
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Old January 31, 2007, 08:39 PM   #17
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We loaded a box of 500...

They shot fine, but, loaded over ~3.5 grains of Bullseye, they were the smokiest loads I've ever shot. Thick, dark-grey smoke billowed out of the gun. After a cylinder full, you could barely see the target (indoor range). I think it was the thick green waxy lube on 'em. The same load under a 158 grain Bear Creek wasn't half as smoky.

I've since switched to Green Dot for the .38 Special, since it's so nice in my 12 gauge. Much cleaner with the Bear Creeks (I've got about 4000 of them). I never tried it with the Laser Casts.

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Old February 3, 2007, 06:01 PM   #18
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That seems strange to me. But I've read of several others who have had leading problems when using Titegroup.
Someone else told me that Titegroup is among the hottest of all powders. Hot enought to melt/soften the base of the bullet when firing. That allows lead to be deposited in the barrel. Slower powder will not cause the lead to soften/melt. Dunno it its true, but it matches the data I have.

Laser-Cast bullets are harder than some other lead bullets, but apparently can lead with a hot powder.
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Old February 5, 2007, 03:57 PM   #19
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I shoot Oregon Trail Lasercast bullets out of my .45 Colt Blackhawk at > 1490 fps and outta my Rossi (LSI) .45 Colt lever rifle at > 1750 fps without gas checks and experience no leading at all. I love these bullets.
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Old February 5, 2007, 09:17 PM   #20
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I've been loading them with 2400 and Lil'gun at around 1300 fps and have no leading at all. Who needs jacketed bullets ?

I did have leading problems with faster powder.. W231
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Old February 17, 2007, 01:54 PM   #21
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My emperical observation of titegroup is it is a very hot powder. Physically when I shoot to the same velocity with unique or trailboss and shoot the same cadence with a revolver then switch to titegroup, the gun is much hotter after shooting titegroup.

Try it and see if your observation matches mine.

For this reason (and the lack of accuracy with titegroup) I gave up on the stuff. It was ok, but not for me.
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Old February 17, 2007, 02:32 PM   #22
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IF you're talking 357 here. And it is in a strong/large framed gun, I know the answer.

Tell us what you'll be shooting it in, and we can give better input.
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Old March 10, 2007, 01:13 AM   #23
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a better bullet then oregon trail laser cast bullets

http://www.beartoothbullets.com/

i have come across these bullets a while ago and i shoot the .452 405g out of my 460 and im very in press with them they are a bit harder then the oregon trail cast bullets
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Old March 10, 2007, 01:56 AM   #24
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I have shot 41, 357, and 45 Laser-Cast bullets in 45acp, 45colt, 38spec, 357mag, and 41mag.

In my experience, they are exceptionally accurate for what I have used them for (mid-upper loads.)

All calibers I have used have leaded barrels. Nothing major, but leading nontheless. I buy these bullets all of the time.
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Old March 10, 2007, 08:26 AM   #25
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I'd like to see more comment on this

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According to the people I talked to at Oregon Trails, you can load these to the same heavy specs that you would load a jacketed bullet.
I'm wondering if their statement also covers their bullets for rifles? And have you tried any of then at jacketed velocities? Also would there be higher pressures because it is lead against the rifling instead of copper?
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