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Old December 23, 2006, 11:02 PM   #1
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Glock alternative?

Hello,

My fiance and I have been considering which handgun to purchase for several weeks now and we kind of settled on a 9MM. She is a little bit gun shy, but we wanted to get something that was decent for home defense and something we could take to the range and have some fun.

Realistically, at this point in time, she cannot handle anything more than a 9, so I want to stick with that caliber and we want to stick with a semi-auto (we will upgrade later when she's more comfortable).

We visited the range today and tried a glock 17 (which I loved), but she had a hard time getting a good grip on it. Can you guys recommend a full size alternative to a Glock that might have a smaller grip?
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Old December 23, 2006, 11:14 PM   #2
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A lot of people like the Springfield XD pistols and the Smith and Wesson M&P pistols are also developing quite a following. I like the replacable grip feature on the M&P since you can adjust it to fit your hand. I haven't shot the XD or M&P yet, but a lot of people seem to like them. Good luck!
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Old December 23, 2006, 11:15 PM   #3
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You may want to look at some compacts as well. Many are not much smaller than full size and are not as small as you may think. I would not recommend a "subcompact" for you at this time.
Here are some full size and compacts to consider:

CZ 75 or 85
CZ PCR or P-01
Beretta PX4
Stoeger Cougar
Beretta 92FS
Taurus 92AF
FN FNP
H&K USP compact
Sig P226 or P229
Springfield XD 9
Browning or FN Hi Power
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Old December 23, 2006, 11:22 PM   #4
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H&K USP Compact. Its my wifes favorite.
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Old December 23, 2006, 11:24 PM   #5
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The S&W M&P, the Walther P-99, and the HK P2000 all have adjustable grip sizes using different sized backstraps or grip panels. I think the Beretta Px4 does as well (?).

Any of those may be worth looking at if your fiance's ability to grip a Glock 17 is an issue.

The other option might be looking at single stack 9mm pistols, like the Sig P239, Sig P225 (if you can find one), or a 9mm 1911.
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Old December 23, 2006, 11:31 PM   #6
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If the Glock is to big I would look into the Walther p99, they are great guns.
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Old December 23, 2006, 11:33 PM   #7
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Give the Beretta PX4 a try. I have one and love it almost as much as my glock.
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Old December 23, 2006, 11:37 PM   #8
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A glock 17 is a full size I would suggest a G26 my mom and my girl both carry one and love it
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Old December 23, 2006, 11:42 PM   #9
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Single stack magazine.

Smith & Wesson used to make some autopistols with single wide magazines. They only hold nine rounds or so in the magazine, but if the problem is extant after firing nine rounds, one needs a rifle or an air strike or serious instruction.

The old S&W 39 was one such. The format was continued into the '90s at least. You might check on the firearms auction sites.

Oh, most of the 'compact' guns don't solve the problem. Cutting an inch off the bottom of the grip does not allow smaller hands to wrap around farther.

Personally, the grip of a full size 1911 pistol is easier for me than the Glock 17 I am required to carry at work.
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Old December 23, 2006, 11:54 PM   #10
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No, a 1/2 to 1 inch difference in grip length won't help, but sometimes other dimensions are smaller as well. They should not be discounted just because they are a bit smaller.
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Old December 24, 2006, 12:16 AM   #11
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Try a Taurus 24/7 for aq full size gun.If there's a possibility you'll want to carry it concealed,try the new Taurus Millenium Pro PT series.The SA/DA trigger has to be felt to be believed...
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Old December 24, 2006, 12:22 AM   #12
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Definitely the XD9. The LOP on the gun is pretty short, perfect for someone with a smaller hand. Damn reliable gun too. A little safer with the added grip safety.

Try and rent one first though just to be sure.
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Old December 24, 2006, 12:47 AM   #13
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The Beretta PX4 might be a good option to try.
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Old December 24, 2006, 01:01 AM   #14
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With adjustable backstrap, and superior ergonomics, you can't go wrong with a Walther P99. A very underrated pistol.
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Old December 24, 2006, 01:07 AM   #15
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Another vote for the P99, although compact (P99c) The adjustable backstrap and pinky extension make the compact version a nice carry/range combination gun, hard as it may be to achieve those two competing goals.
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Old December 24, 2006, 01:16 AM   #16
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I'm assuming that you said "full size" and "Glock alternative" for a reason. I guess a lot of people missed it. One thing to consider, a "compact" steel framed gun should also work for her if you're concerned about recoil. That being said, do you have a budget in mind? What will be the primary purpose? I know you said Home Defense and range but is there a possibility that you'll carry it or use it for ccw? That should go into your criteria (size/weight/holster selection). Personally, I love the XDs and have been very happy with mine. I'd also check out Sig, S&W M&P, HK, and the Walther P99. You may also consider a 1911 in 9mm if the budget fits.
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Old December 24, 2006, 01:36 AM   #17
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Steyr. Very thin double stack.

After much deliberation, my 5' 3" GF liked this the best.
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Old December 24, 2006, 01:44 AM   #18
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Another option, if you can find it - the SW99 - Smith & Wesson's version of the Walther P99 - a little hard to find now - S&W discontinued it in favor of their 990 series - great little gun. I have the compact version in DA/SA (with decocker).
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Old December 24, 2006, 02:31 AM   #19
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If you like the Glocks and feel that you would like to stick with them, you can get the grip reduced and tailored to your hand (or your wife's) and it will be perfect for you.


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Old December 24, 2006, 03:33 AM   #20
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Is it me or do Walthers have horrible triggers.

I suggest you handle different guns at a gun shop and/or range and see what fits your hand. Then try the trigger pulls on each one by dry firing them. Be sure to ask permission since some people are pretty picky about that. Be sure to triple check to ensure that the gun is empty and point it in a safe direction before pulling the trigger (of course). Eliminate the ones that don't fit your hand and then the ones with crappy triggers. Then rent the last 2 or three contenders and pick the one you like best. Good luck!
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Old December 24, 2006, 03:39 AM   #21
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HK P2000, HK P2000SK, or Sig P239.
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Old December 24, 2006, 04:13 AM   #22
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S&W M&P. I've owned an Xd and wasn't overly impressed with it. I carry a G17 as my duty gun, but will be acquiring an M&P in the near future to replace it. I was that impressed with a fellow officers M&P .40.
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Old December 24, 2006, 09:17 AM   #23
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You've gotten alot of good recommendations. I'd definately tke her to a rnge and let her rent as many guns as possible. One gun that I'd recommend taking a look at is the new Taurus Milennium Pro with the DA/SA trigger that they used in the 24/7. They make a PT-111 9mm that is really easy to get a small hand around and is very managable, easy to strip, good trigger, and my earlier version was super reliable. They can be had in the $300 to $350 range.
Check one out here: http://www.taurususa.com/products/pr...ategory=Pistol
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Old December 24, 2006, 10:36 AM   #24
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Any reason why you didn't consider the Glock 19? It's actually not that much smaller than the G17, but G19 is easier to grip than a G17.

Back to your request. I went through the drill of looking for a large frame 9mm but with a reasonably sized (small) grip a few months ago and I was surprised at how limited my choices were. Probably the best choice - in terms of pure 'shootability' and if cost is no object - is a single stack 1911 in 9mm from Springfield-Armory.



The Browning High-Power 'family' is another alternative that has a smaller grip size (than a Glock) but slightly larger than a 1911 frame to accomodate that 13 round double stack magazine. The Charles-Daly HP is a low cost 'budget' version of the Browning HP if you don't want to spend too much.



Back to single stacks (and a bigger budget). The Smith-Wesson Performance Center 952 is a single stack 9mm with a smaller grip.

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Old December 24, 2006, 01:41 PM   #25
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Is it me or do Walthers have horrible triggers.
The P99 trigger is an acquired taste. Some folks don't like, especially the first long DA pull in the AS configuration. I smooths out after a few hundred rounds.
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