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Old December 31, 1998, 11:28 PM   #1
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I've got a question: I bought an SKS in my early college days (around '92) through a private party transaction. However, I never got around to registering it. How do I go about doing that? Is it as simple as taking it to the local gunshop? Thanks.
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Old January 1, 1999, 09:44 AM   #2
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What state are you living in? In Georgia, there are no such requirements. I don't know about the People's Republics of Mass. and Ca.

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Old January 1, 1999, 09:47 AM   #3
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Was about to respond to your query when I saw that you are in the PRK. There's no federal legislation but there is state legislatin in your case. Any other Cali. residents out there that can help?
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Old January 1, 1999, 02:10 PM   #4
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Hehehe....Is that what they call it now? Well, if it wasn't for the weather and the money and the women and the hmmm...(what else is there?), I'd leave. Sorry I forgot to mention the state.
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Old January 4, 1999, 08:07 PM   #5
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Mel, I had a free ride in the company condo in Newport Beach, with the money, the easy job up in Irvive, etc, etc, But I couldn't take it. I got pulled over for speeding and was pulled from my car at gunpoint becuase I had a 2 inch bladed spyderco visibly clipped to my jeans pocket.

You can have the weather, there are plenty of women to be found elsewhere.

as to your question,
Check the links section, I think DC has some resources for California law.

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Old January 4, 1999, 10:15 PM   #6
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Thanks Rob. Actually I took a closer look at the California laws as listed in the nra.org website. Apparently, I can just take it in to the dealer and pay $20 to get it registered. Here's the quote:

"Registration includes identification of the firearm and the name, address, date of birth, thumbprint and other information on the owner. A fee of up to $20.00 may be charged for the registration. "

By the way, I've been following your posts in this website and a couple of others. I'd like to take the time to thank you for helping out newbies like me, and for the entertaining stories.

BTW, how can you turn down Irvine & a condo in Newport!?! Yuppie city baby! I work down in Mission Viejo, and let me tell you, you almost don't need firearms in that area. You can just use the golf club/racquetball racket/softball bat that all yuppies have in the back of their SUV!

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Old January 4, 1999, 10:31 PM   #7
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I tried to fit in, but even though I love Sushi, it just didn't work.
There is a great little bar called the "knight" or something like that on 17th I think. On the east side of the street. I had a lot of fun playing pool and drinking to excess in there (won/lost some money too). It is considered a dive by Newport Beach standards, but it is a fun place. Once you get to know the regulars. There was a bartender named Tony (watch out.. big pool shark) who was from back east. He used to make all-u-could-eat spaghetti on Monday nights.
I got conned into buying a belt in Costa Mesa once and almost fell over when the girl rang it up.
I almost traded in my sorta cool car for a really cool car down in Corona Del Mar, but it wasn't meant to be. I just kept my car and bought a truck down at that big auto mall south of Irvine on the interstate.

BTW- thanks for the kind words. The stories are free, I make them up .



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Old January 5, 1999, 12:57 AM   #8
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I'm a bit slow on this registration in CA thing. Did something pass that I didn't hear about? I though it was just on its way with the new Democrat governor and majority and had a chance of not making it. If these guns need to be registered is this taken care of at the dealer transaction, I bought both my pre-ban and post ban AR's in 98. If anyone can clear this up or shed light on it I would appreciate it.

Thanks in advance.
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Old January 5, 1999, 05:38 PM   #9
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CA has an "assault weapons" registration law. If your weapon is on the list, you have to register it and be able to prove that you had legal possession before it was put on the "list". The original law was effective in '89 and it was added to in '92. The SKS is on the list if it has a detachable magazine. Otherwise, I don't think it is required to be registered. The CA DOJ has a firearms info page at http://caag.state.ca.us/firearms/.

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Old January 6, 1999, 10:57 PM   #10
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Rich - thanks for the web site address - that one is interesting. [Wow - just noticed that in CA you can't even bequeath your 'assault' rifle to your kids when you die!]

Rob - I concur with Mel - you've helped me out a great deal as well. Same goes for many of the folks on this forum. Fine folks here.

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Old January 7, 1999, 12:00 AM   #11
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Melster...
Just be aware that the SKS is on the verboten list
and with the direction that the wind is blowin here I'd rethink what you are contemplating. Our new Gov. Gray has pledged the "toughest laws ever" on assault weapons and intends to pass all the gun laws Gov. Wilson veto'd.
Even tho gun related deaths are way down, guns and the new definition of assault weapons are as hot an issue as ever...great PR mileage. Speaking just for myself...I wouldn't.

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Old January 7, 1999, 12:08 AM   #12
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Okay, let's say that PRK takes the entire list of detachable mag rifles/shotguns and outlaws their possession. What happens to those warehouses of weapons for use in movies? Are they out of business? Do they have to have the weapons permanently demilitarized?
Are there weapons that are currently unavailable to civilians that can be owned by these operations with special permits or because they have special dealer licenses?
Are they benefiting from selective enforcement?

I have always wondered about this, anyone have a definitive answer?

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Old January 7, 1999, 12:15 AM   #13
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Rob...
Studio armorers are required to have Class 3, and I think even more permits due to not always having "control" of the weapons.

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Old January 7, 1999, 12:26 AM   #14
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Class III only applies to NFA weapons though. What if PRK does not outlaw NFA weapons, per se, but outlaws semi-auto rifles of all types? At that point the armorers could only have NFA rifles, right?
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Old January 7, 1999, 12:35 AM   #15
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Honestly I have no idea...I suspect selective enforcement. They do it with drugs and sex, why not guns?
"Hollywood" is relatively left alone as most of the big boys are big Demo contributors. If they enforced all gun laws, even those now on the books, there would be fewer genre type action movies and that means fewer contributed $$. Like I said, drugs and sex so why not guns?

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Old January 7, 1999, 11:55 PM   #16
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As far as proof that the SKS was purchased before the ban, can't they look at the serial number?

Besides, I don't think my SKS falls under the assault weapons ruling because it only has one of the evil eyetems: the Bayonet. Hell, maybe I can even pass that off as an on-board flathead screwdriver.

It's got that attached 10rd mag, and no flashhider or pistol grip. What I'm really interested in is establishing it as a pre-ban, then fixing it up with all the bells and whistles.

What do you gentlemen think of the feasiblity of that?

P.S. I know, I know. Fixing up an SKS is like putting a Cindy Crawford mask on Roseanne. Humor me.
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Old January 8, 1999, 04:02 AM   #17
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You know, it's damn cold here in ND, but we don't have to register our guns. And under those parkas, you might be surprised what you'd find...
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Old January 8, 1999, 09:52 AM   #18
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The California law is different from the Federal and has different criteria. Cal is not concerned with date of manufacture, but with date of possession by the current owner.
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Old January 8, 1999, 04:04 PM   #19
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Dakota Law Dog. If you want me to look under your parka you'll have to wear a Cindy Crawford mask. BTW, my outside thermometer say 80 degrees, but it's in the sun...

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Old January 12, 1999, 01:58 AM   #20
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FYI, California laws can be found at this site...

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/calaw.html

Courtesy of the Downey PD.
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Old January 12, 1999, 02:10 AM   #21
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Dakota Law Dog - it's damn warm here in Arizona usually (although just perfect right now) - and, we don't have to register our weapons either. However, the girls just can't carry concealed in their bikini's and halter tops. This is a real problem, as you can imagine ...

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Old January 31, 1999, 11:14 PM   #22
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SKS's with fixed magazines are not covered by Roberti-Roos. Converting a fixed magazine SKS to a detachable magazine rifle is a no-no. There were some SKS rifles that were imported with detachable magazines and could be registered and kept provided the owner could show he/she legally possessed the rifle prior to July 1, 1989. To be completely legal the rifle would have to have been registered on or before December 31, 1990.
There was an 90 day amnesty period for registration after the cutoff where more people could register their weapons because someone made a ruling the publicity covering the first registration period was sparse.
Attorney General Lungren had a policy that people could continue to register their weapons after the amnesty period because possession of an unregistered weapon could be converted from a felony to a $300 fine infraction by merely registering the weapon provided the person could show they lawfully owned the weapon prior to July 1, 1989,
Lungren withdrew that option because he took maximum heat from the anti-gunners and the Los Angeles Times during his election campaign. Someone sued him in court to make something like 14,000 registrations invalid because they took place outside the initial registration period and the amnesty period. This caused the famous Lungren SKS flip-flop that ****** off so many gun owners during the last election.

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Old February 5, 1999, 12:40 AM   #23
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What's with the "Roseanne" stuff? The SKS is a fine rifle. Very tough, reliable and a sweet shooter. The Russians, especially Tula Arsenal early to mid 50s (not reworked from part-crates) are the best. But all are decent firearms, especially for the money. I personally think that the "Roseanne" issue relates more to jazzing-up an SKS in the first place. The only thing I'd do is MAYBE put a synthetic Monte Carlo type stock on a Russian (if it was going to be a "working" rifle), and DEFINITELY onto a Chinese (does their wood SUCK or what?). Otherwise, to tamper with the mag-capacity and such is to tamper with the guns' function, reliability and balance. Those wanting detachable mags, get an SLR95 - WOWZERS! But SKSs, even at current elevated prices are well-worth it. I've got a feeling the prices will never go down, anyways. Does anyone think that even one gun-law is going to be repealled? That Schumer and company aren't right now having wet-dreams about even more gun-laws?

By the way, I'm DYIN' to buy another minty "all-matching, not-reworked" Russian SKS!! They ARE that good.

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