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Old September 19, 2006, 12:45 AM   #1
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Chinese Entertainment (5.8x42mm)

This thing looks like a barrel of laughs. With all the plastic, it has to be cheap to manufacture. Are there any semi versions of the Type 95 imported? It seems like they would be cheap and entertaining...

What about this 5.8x42mm round? Can it be found in the US? Is it worth a damn?



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Old September 19, 2006, 12:33 PM   #2
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China? Importing military pattern guns into the US? Looks like the No-Go gage fits.

Probably not much different from a Bushy M17S.
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Old September 19, 2006, 02:25 PM   #3
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China? Importing military pattern guns into the US? Looks like the No-Go gage fits.
Yeah, that will never work. Can you say Norinco?
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Old September 19, 2006, 02:49 PM   #4
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Can you say Norinco?
Norinco can't import. But other companies with different papers and names (but identical employees) can.
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Old September 19, 2006, 02:50 PM   #5
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Yeah, real cool. Talk crap about a gun you will never touch.

Is that the stereotype now? Anything Chinese is bound to be of low quality? Soon it's going to be anything Asian is bound to be of low quality.:barf:
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Old September 19, 2006, 02:57 PM   #6
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No, just if its Japanese. I hear the russians can't build cars very well. Now if we still had Yugos......
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Old September 19, 2006, 02:57 PM   #7
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The first mention of low quality was your post. The original post discussed the apparent inexpensive nature of the manufacturing process, which is of course one of the main reasons for going with polymer.

In other words, the only stereotype present is the knee jerk reaction of some who see an issue where none exists.
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Old September 19, 2006, 04:03 PM   #8
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Actually my post was in response to the prior post saying importing Chinese military style weapons would never happen. We already know that Chinese military weapons can and will sell in this country, as proven by Norinco back in the 1980s (yes, I know they were banned from importing guns, and it was for this very reason). I never said anything about quality.

Never mind. Once you have to explain it, it isn't funny!
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Old September 19, 2006, 04:10 PM   #9
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I wouldn't expect to see the weapon or the ammo in the US any time soon. Actually I wouldn't expect to see many of them in China any time soon -- next big thing, and I think I read some units were issued them, but most of their guys are still getting by with AK clones and such.
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Old September 19, 2006, 04:13 PM   #10
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In other words, the only stereotype present is the knee jerk reaction of some who see an issue where none exists.
That's probably the case. But I saw 2 cheaps and a barrel of laughs, and it WAS worth a damn, to point out.
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Old September 19, 2006, 07:43 PM   #11
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We already know that Chinese military weapons can and will sell in this country, as proven by Norinco back in the 1980s (yes, I know they were banned from importing guns, and it was for this very reason).


Any and every military pattern firearm from any country will sell here. Norinco, however, has been ruled out and, IMO, will never be let in again. As noted, other avenues are available to them, just not as Norinco (and Polytech) or evil looking military pattern.

There is no question Chinese guns will sell here. They just won't sell by government decree.
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Old September 19, 2006, 10:38 PM   #12
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Hey now the 5.8 is supposed to be China's solution to the low powered 5.45x39 and the 7.62x54R. Correct me if I'm wong. josh
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Old September 19, 2006, 11:58 PM   #13
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Yeah, I heard about that too...
The extra-hot MG version of the 5.8x42 can't compare to the 7.62x54R in any way. That monsterous rooski .30cal round will stick around for a good long while.

But hey, we thought the full-auto M14 would replace all of our SMGs and medium MGs, and look how great that turned out...
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Old September 20, 2006, 07:43 AM   #14
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Modern warfare is amazing. It will get more interesting as time goes.
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Old September 20, 2006, 07:54 AM   #15
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The Chinese are not allowed to sell ammunition, handguns, or semiauto shoulder arms here in the U.S., at least until the .gov changes its mind. That makes acquisition of a ChiCom-manufactured EBR chambered in a ChiCom-only cartridge a pretty iffy proposal.
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Old September 20, 2006, 08:14 AM   #16
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then how come Norinco side by side shotguns are commonly found new in stores right now? Hmmmmm....
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Old September 20, 2006, 01:17 PM   #17
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According to "21st century tactical arms" the type 95 has had a poor reception from troops because of QC issues and poor ergonomics.

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Old September 20, 2006, 02:15 PM   #18
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"then how come Norinco side by side shotguns are commonly found new in stores right now? Hmmmmm...."

Because a SxS is neither ammunition, a handgun, or a semiauto long gun. Pay attention.
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Old September 20, 2006, 04:53 PM   #19
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Didn't Norinco get into some heat due to selling some MAK90/91 models that had full auto firing assembly in them? If they can make a SxS or Bolt gun like they made 1911s then they may be worth looking at. josh
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Yes, a shipload of AKs with too many selector positions was intercepted in CA back in the day. Also, an early batch of pre-'89 Norinco AKs drew the ATF's ire for having one too many holes in the reciever...
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Old September 21, 2006, 07:13 PM   #21
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Because a SxS is neither ammunition, a handgun, or a semiauto long gun. Pay attention.
Ahhhhh. Duh.
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Old September 21, 2006, 07:21 PM   #22
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Isn't the gun and ammo the prototype of the new Chinese weapon for their elite forces?
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Old September 22, 2006, 01:12 PM   #23
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The Chinese have a 5.56x45mm NATO version for export. Which would solve ammo issues. I wonder if they'd export any of them though.

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Old September 22, 2006, 08:34 PM   #24
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Oh they'll export them all right. We just can't import them.
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Old September 22, 2006, 09:50 PM   #25
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Isn't the gun and ammo the prototype of the new Chinese weapon for their elite forces?
This is what I found per http://www.strategypage.com "Some users prefer the old 7.62 x 39 mm, which is still being offered in new weapons. The latest Russian rifle, the 5.45 x 39 mm AN-94, utilises a complex mechanism to provide an extremely fast two-round burst, apparently to ensure that at normal ranges two bullets will strike the target rather than one. The Chinese recently adopted a 5.8 x 42 mm round in the QBZ-95 issued to elite troops, which is claimed to have a long-range performance superior to both the 5.45 x 39 mm and the 5.56 x 45 mm, although the differences are marginal as the 5.8 mm cartridge, despite having more case capacity, is loaded to a lower pressure." I wonder why they optioned for the lower pressures, I'm sure Chinese engineers know to keep pace or surpass the new/heavy 5.56 NATO ballistics they will have to do the same thing with the pressures. Was it done from conception of the cartridge or after the new rifle prototype. Depending on when the decision was made to keep pressures down may lead to the bad "QC" the new rifle has. May just be poor engineering and can't take the abuse of higher pressures. The concept seems practical but it looks as if something impeded it's progress. josh
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