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Old August 15, 2006, 08:18 AM   #1
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The lowest recoil on a high power rifle

Im looking for a new rifle. Hard hitting but low on the recoil. I want the whole family to able to use it. Mainly for whitetail and javelina
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Old August 15, 2006, 09:03 AM   #2
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.243; 7mm08; .257 Roberts...

Any cartridge with a bullet of around 100 to 140 grains, at around 2,800 to 3,000 will work just fine.

While a .30-30 works well, the narrow buttplate that is common tends to accentuate the perceived recoil.

The more weight, the less felt recoil, but the heavier to carry when walking. It gets a bit expensive to have a total package (w/scope, sling and ammo) below seven pounds. Over eight to 8.5 pounds, they can get to be a bit heavy by the end of a day's walking.

My Remington 700 Titanium totals 6.5 pounds; 7mm08; not onerous for recoil at the benchrest with 140-grain bullets. My little Sako .243 carbine totals seven pounds, and the light, 85-grain bullets I use just aren't noticeable for recoil.

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Old August 15, 2006, 09:06 AM   #3
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There's been 2 or 3 recent thread on this or very similar subject (low recoil hunting gun). So I'd do a search of topics last 30 days or so, looking at the subject lines. But the consensus is stuff like .44 mag, .30-30, 7.62x39mm, .243 win, .260 rem, .257 robts, .25-3000 Savage, 6.5x55 swede, etc.
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Old August 15, 2006, 09:10 AM   #4
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whats your budget. a BAR in a 30-06 flavor fits the bill. i have one in 338 win mag with out boss, and my bother in laws sister shoots it. (but then again shes all of 5'4" and 120 lbs tops)
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Old August 15, 2006, 11:14 AM   #5
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Anything chambered in 260 rem or 7mm-08 with a 26" bull barrel will have light recoil.



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Old August 15, 2006, 04:40 PM   #6
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30-06 for the whole family...

Lighter bullets will recoil less...

Try a 130 grain bullet for deer...

OR you could settle for less...

...and get a ".27-06"

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Old August 15, 2006, 07:07 PM   #7
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I recommend a 30-06 too. Hve the smaller menbers of the family and the women shoot the reduced recoil loads and you can try the full power loads. I 30-06 is not too bad on recoil. My browning is 7 1/2 lbs scoped and I shoot it comfortably.
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Old August 16, 2006, 03:45 PM   #8
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6.5 swede

6.5x55 swede has less recoil than a .243 and is almost as powerful as a .270 and is more accurate than either.

What's not to like?
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Old August 16, 2006, 06:59 PM   #9
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I asked this very same question from the folks here not too long ago, but I was mostly concerned with Elk hunting capabilities. Got a lot of great responses, the most common being to go with a 30-06 in a semi-auto format. I was all set to do just that. Had one picked out and all, but I spotted a beautiful Winchester Classic Featherweight in 30-06, so I got it. I think I will like the lightweight aspects of the rifle, especially packing it around all day. And I hope it doesn't beat me up too badly in the recoil dept.

Having said that, I think I would go with the 6.5x55 Swede, especially if you don't have larger game in mind. I have heard a lot of great things about that cartridge and its capabilities, from a lot of experienced hunters. Some have taken some pretty tough critters with that round and they are extremely pleasant to shoot.

(Nice dig, Pointer, on the 270.)
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Old August 17, 2006, 01:23 AM   #10
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FAL in .308 for sure . mind you besides my current military experience , ive done relativley little hunting. well , i guess that depends on the laws around where you live. if you are allowed to own semi-automatic rifles , then yes , a FAL is great , nice trigger pull on most , good weight (enough for the recoil to be fairly light) , and i don't think there's much a .308 won't take down. only problems are that the FAL can be a bit sensitve to very fine sands and dirts , and if you're not very familiar with it , it can be a pain in the ass to clean. if you do get a FAL however , you might want to pimp it out (no not fancy lasers and crap , just new sights , a cheek rest , and a good optic)
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Old August 17, 2006, 01:48 AM   #11
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I'd go with .375 H&H MAG. clamped in a lead sled. Should be quite enjoyable then.
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Old August 17, 2006, 05:43 AM   #12
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I have to disagree a bit here with the .30-06. Even with a lower grain bullet, IMO, the .30-06 still has more recoil than most would think. I talked to a guy at the range the other day that had a .243. He said that he used a .30-06 most years for hunting, but someone recommended he tried the .243 or .260 and he said that it's a great gun with very little recoil.

I just recently bought a .30-06. I have shot 165g and 180g from it and there is little noticable difference between the two. I can't imagine that a 140g bullet is going to be a whole lot better. If low recoil is what you're going for, I just don't think a .30-06 would be the best answer.

My second recommendation would be the .25-06 or 7mm-08.
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Old August 17, 2006, 06:29 AM   #13
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The 06 has a fairly good kick to it. the managed recoil ammo brings down that kick alot but I don't know if it would bring it down to where he is wanting it. I also would recommend a 243 or maybe a 7mm08.
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Old August 17, 2006, 06:53 AM   #14
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One problem not mentioned is the fit of the gun..How different in size are the family members ? A rifle that doesn't fit will accentuate the recoil.
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Old August 17, 2006, 10:51 AM   #15
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Im 6'0, my wife 5'0 and the rest are in between. The less recoil, the better. I just want something good for everyone. I also might sell my .300 win mag to buy this "soon to be" rifle. Thanks for the post guys.
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Old August 17, 2006, 12:13 PM   #16
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As a recoil-sensitive guy, I would recommend a 7-08 (already mentioned), 257 Roberts, 243 Win or 6mm Rem. The 30-06 or a 308 is OK, but take getting used to for new shooters.

The 300 WinMag is great for big tough guys, but a little 5'0" woman won't like it, and kids won't like it, and therefore won't shoot it well.
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Old August 17, 2006, 12:34 PM   #17
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email me the details on the 300wm.
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Old August 18, 2006, 07:12 PM   #18
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Sounds like you're a TX guy. I like the following: 22-250, .243, 25-06 .260,
.270. I shot my first deer at age 9 w/ the .270, and many more w/ the 25-06. I just bought a 22-250, and while some will argue it's too small for deer, it's not, but you will get some arguments on that statement.
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Old August 18, 2006, 09:16 PM   #19
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family rifle

Your choice is necessarily a compromise. A 7mm-08 is the best choice. Could go down to a .260 Rem or up to a .308 Win. All three use the same basic case. They are accurate, easy to shoot, and fine for deer-size game.
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Old August 18, 2006, 10:27 PM   #20
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The .270 hits a ton with moderate recoil...
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Old August 19, 2006, 04:12 PM   #21
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large enough with lighter recoil

Honestly don't listen to anyone, look it up yourself on Chuck Hawks website. He has a great list of all different calibers with recoil lb pressures. Here you will see which rifle suits your family best. I'll give you just a little hint. I have hunted with a .270 for years. It is definately my favorite cal of all times. I did however just buy a .243 which has half the recoil. The 30-06 was mentioned to you earlier and that was the worse advise for a first time family rifle. It hits harder than the .270
The .270 with a 130 grain bullet produces around 16.0 lbs of recoil where the .243 produces 8.8 lbs That is almost half the recoil. If you are only hunting up to whitetail size game than this is the best caliber ever for all options from target, varmint, and deer. There you have it so check out that site. It's Chuckhawks.com
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Old August 19, 2006, 08:11 PM   #22
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The grand Answer is it all depends.

A light rifle with medium cartridge will possibly kick more than the kids will like. BUT it will be easier for them to get it in the correct position to make the shot and If they are shooting at something live, they will not feel the gun go off.

Fit of the gun is as big a contributor to felt recoil as the load fired.

A heavy full size rifle in a smaller (.243, 6mm, .260) will feel the best on the bags at the range, but if you have to carry it a long way or are sitting in a tree stand and trying to get that buck that is behind and to the right of you, you will be wishing for a smaller gun.


30-06's kick, so do .270's and for most people even .308's. It is very possible to get your self recoil tolerant but harder for kids and the Mrs. Ususally people try to go to the range now and start shooting with a light shirt on as it is 85 degrees or hotter out and they find out that hard rubber on a tshirt means it hurts. Changing the butt plate to soft rubber like the sanoprene or decellerator pads helps, so does getting a shoulder pad like the PAST blocker.

I have found that recoil DOES affect kids and womens shooting much more than adult males. They just have less padding on the bones to make it comfortable. This is MOST evident at the range. My kids started off with 250 savage's and even then when they were at the range at 10-11 years old, I was feeding the rifle very mild 100 gr handloads, that rifle kicked less than a .22. But before they went hunting, i resighted the rifle using nearly +P loads with a nosler partition. They never knew the difference when they went hunting, but sitting in the tree, they never once thought "ohhhh this is going to kick when i shoot" and thus concentrated on siming well and not on its going to hurt.

IF you are hunting down south, the deer are just not as big as they are in the northern climates. 150 pounds is a big southern deer, We routinely see 300 pounders. For a southern deer, I would be much more willing to use a 243 or 6mm in a rifle like the RSI Ruger, or the compact or ltwt model from ruger too. same with a Remington model 7 or mountain rifle.


http://www.remington.com/products/fi..._seven_CDL.asp

http://www.remington.com/products/fi...odel_seven.asp

http://www.remington.com/products/fi...el_700_sps.asp

One idea of buying a youth gun is that remington wisely offers full sized stocks available for very reasonable sums, allowing you to "grow" the rifle as the user gets to adulthood.

Also, I have shot mild cartridges like the 260 rem in a youth gun and found it to be just fine for me, a tad short, but the light recoil is easily managed by me without fear of getting the scope in the forehead.

http://www.stengg.com/CoyCapPro/detail.aspx?pdid=134 Ruger is again listing the 257 roberts as available. I would suggest this rifle in that caliber.
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Old August 20, 2006, 09:02 PM   #23
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The lightest recoiling centerfire rifle I own that is chambered in a rifle round (rather than a pistol round like 44 Magnum) is my AR-50 in 50 BMG.

Which goes to show you it's all about the design of the weapon, weight, and a good muzzle brake
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Old August 24, 2006, 04:41 PM   #24
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The 30-06 was mentioned to you earlier and that was the worse (worst?) advise (advice?)
for a first time family rifle. It hits harder than the .270
The 30-06 with a 130 grain bullet...
DOES NOT recoil harder...
than a 27-06 with a 130 grain bullet...
when the bullet departs the muzzle of the same weight rifle, at the same velocity...

Way before the popularity of the .270, and for all these decades since, the 30-06 has been used as the "ONE RIFLE", one cartridge, first time ("family") rifle almost as much as the old 30-30 was in its' hayday. For many years it was the ONLY rifle we had in our family and when I came of age to have my own rifle... it, too, was a bolt action 30-06...

Oh yes... and it helps if you know how to read your own high school diploma...
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Old August 24, 2006, 04:57 PM   #25
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Deja Vu' - don't people read these threads lol...

+1 for the .243 - its ***** cat with a big ole' bullet.
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