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Old August 17, 2006, 03:20 AM   #1
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Overreacting?

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Two fighter jets were scrambled Wednesday to escort a London-to-Washington flight to an emergency landing in Boston after a disturbance in which passengers said a woman in a jogging suit paced up and down the aisle, peppering her incoherent mutterings with the word "Pakistan." The federal official for Boston's Logan International Airport said there was no indication of terrorism, but passengers said they were unnerved by the woman and by the military response, just a week after authorities in London said they foiled a terror plot to blow up flights to the U.S.


If it was incoherent mutterings she could have been upset because she forgot a "pack of stamps"? Instead of the people hearing Pakistan.
A woman in a jogging suit that has gone through airport security processes don't seem like she would be much of a terrorist threat.

Funny they didn't say whay happened or what the lady's problem was.
More beaureaucratic bull?

Geez, there goes freedom of speech and the freedon to think?
I'm thinking about how I hate the news media....scramble the jets!!!!!!!!
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Old August 17, 2006, 05:12 AM   #2
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Doubletap. you just don't understand ! She was a 60 year old woman, a prime suspect to be a terrorist !!! And they had to build their case with rumors ,screwdriver,vaseline and code words like 'Pakistan' . The skys are safer with TSA !!
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Old August 17, 2006, 05:29 AM   #3
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I wonder why people forget to take their meds before boarding a flight right after a bomb scare.

Seems like a recipie for a booking to me.

Ah, a new bozo is created every minute.
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Old August 17, 2006, 05:47 AM   #4
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Probably a psych history and the thought of being on the plane exacerbated the paranoid thoughts. My guess would be that she was a paranoid schizophrenic and the reason why they didn't say that was because it would be a HIPAA violation for them to disclose that. Just my guess.
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Old August 17, 2006, 06:34 AM   #5
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Over reaction, she had a medical/phsycological incident and she's being charged with interfering with a flight crew? Hope I never have a heart attack, or a kid with add has an episode. I fly international about twice a month and what has always been a pain in the rear is turning into the equivolent of paying to have someone smash your "bitty parts" with a hammer. Flight crews can be as rude as they wish, they can have a bad day and take it out on you, but you have a bad day and they want to deny boarding or god forbid inflight something occurs and the feds want you charged with interferring with a flight crew.
I was on a flight about 6-7 months ago where a guy was removed before pushing back from the gate. His crime, the flight was late boarding and crowded and he was putting his carry on in the overhead, the FA told him to sit down, he said ok he was just putting his carry on away. She yelled at him "I said sit down". He said I am I just need to get this in the overhead. He closed the overhead and 3-5 minutes later a gate agent and cop show up and tell him they are removing him from the flight for failing to obey the commands of the FA. Not once did he raise his voice or get mouthy to the FA or the folks who came to remove him. We weren't getting ready to push back since they were still loading baggage. I have no idea what happened after they removed him.
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Old August 17, 2006, 07:29 AM   #6
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It's okay to shoot down a plane load of folks with an air-to-air missile, but not okay to arm and equip pilots to take care of matters on their own if needed.:barf:
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Old August 17, 2006, 07:42 AM   #7
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I wouldnt be surprise if we see more and more of this kinda stuff.its only a matter of time before someone has another medical problem like a seizure or even ibs, that arises suspicion,freaks out the sheeple and startles the whole bunch.a friend of mine had to go across country on a business trip.he made his dr appt and got tranquilizers for the trip...not for fear of flying but for the goon squad and the rudeness and people freaking out.


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Old August 17, 2006, 08:01 AM   #8
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She was a 60 year old woman, a prime suspect to be a terrorist !!!
Without getting into the sarcasm in the thread, I would point out that until fairly recently women were considered equally unlikely suspects to be suicide bombers. Now, they are not that uncommon. That's the problem with profiling. A terrorist can be any sex, any age, any race. We've seen that over and over.
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Old August 17, 2006, 08:08 AM   #9
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Without getting into the sarcasm in the thread, I would point out that until fairly recently women were considered equally unlikely suspects to be suicide bombers. Now, they are not that uncommon. That's the problem with profiling. A terrorist can be any sex, any age, any race. We've seen that over and over.
What the problem? As of last week we mainly two types of people to profile. Male and female muslims from late teens to late twenties. You look at who is more likely and focus on them without losing sight that they are not the only ones. It will never be entirely safe unless you just never fly again and find somewhere that has no other people, neither is a viable option for many.
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Old August 17, 2006, 08:38 AM   #10
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It's okay to shoot down a plane load of folks with an air-to-air missile, but not okay to arm and equip pilots to take care of matters on their own if needed.
Sometimes I'm inclined to agree with you. However, what would the pilots have done in this situation? Held the woman at gunpoint for her vaseline and screwdriver?

We continually make the case against ourselves for self-rule by common sense (speaking of the people on that plane, not you). What EXACTLY did they think that lady got through the 10 ID checks and the 2 pat-down searches and the Xray machine????
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Old August 17, 2006, 08:39 AM   #11
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Official: No terror link in D.C. flight diversion

A populace living in fear is so easy to manage.

BOSTON - Fighter jets escorted a London-to-Washington, D.C., flight to Boston?s Logan airport Wednesday after the pilot declared an emergency because an apparently claustrophobic passenger caused a disturbance, a federal official said.

The federal security official told NBC News there was no indication of terrorism and denied reports that the woman had a screw driver, matches and a note referring to al-Qaida.

The female passenger, 60, aboard United Flight 923 said she was claustrophobic and became very upset and got into some kind of confrontation with the flight crew, said George Naccara, federal security director for the Transportation Security Administration for Massachusetts? airport.

The disturbance ? coming just a week after authorities in London said they foiled a terror plot to blow up trans-Atlantic flights ? was enough to concern the pilot to issue an alert, which activated two fighter jets to escort the flight into Logan, Naccara said.

Naccara said he did not believe any items she was carrying were the cause of the outburst. An airport spokesman previously said the woman was carrying lotion, a screw driver and matches, but backed off the statement, and Naccara said it wasn?t true.

Searching luggage, interviewing passengers
The flight, with 182 passengers and 12 crew members landed safely, UAL Corp. spokesman Brandon Borrman said.

State Police and federal agencies took control of the plane after it landed.

Passengers were taken off the plane and loaded onto a bus. Naccara said the passengers were being interviewed. He had no information whether passengers had helped to subdue her.

Passenger luggage was removed from the plane and put on the tarmac, where it was rechecked by security officials and trained dogs.

United Airlines was one of three airlines allegedly targeted by terrorists plotting to detonate liquid explosives in up to 10 aircraft flying from London. The other two airlines were American and Continental.

The terror alert level for flights from London was heightened to red, or ?critical,? for days after the plot was thwarted by U.K. officials. Since then the level has been lowered to orange, or ?high alert.?
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Old August 17, 2006, 11:32 AM   #12
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It would appear that the "terrorists" are winning.





Oh my God! A screwdriver and matches???? DUCK!
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Old August 17, 2006, 03:24 PM   #13
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Screwdrivers,drugs and rock and roll!!

HERE'S THE LATEST!!!!
Tell me how a bunch of lighters,a bottle of water got through our country's greatest terror security ever??????


A woman on a trans-Atlantic flight diverted to Boston for security concerns passed several notes to crew members, urinated on the cabin floor and made comments the crew believed were references to al-Qaida and the Sept. 11 attacks, according to an affidavit filed Thursday.

Catherine C. Mayo, 59, of Braintree, Vt., appeared in federal court Thursday on a charge of interfering with a flight crew on United 923 as it flew from London to Washington, D.C., Wednesday.

She was dressed in a Rolling Stones T-shirt, black pants and socks without shoes for the hearing and was ordered held pending a detention and probable cause hearing next Thursday.

Her attorney, federal public defender Page Kelley, said Mayo was "just barely lucid" when they spoke. "She's got some very serious mental health problems."(OR GOOD DRUGS!!!)

U.S. Attorney Michael Sullivan said he hoped to learn more about Mayo's mental state before the next court appearance. "We believe it's important during that time period to have a doctor examine her," he said.

Mayo's son, Josh, 31, described his mother as a peace activist and said she had been in Pakistan since March. She traveled there often since making a pen pal prior to Sept. 11, 2001, he said. The pen pal hasn't been allowed to visit the U.S., he added.

"I guess she just had a bit of a bad time on the plane, and everybody's a little paranoid," the son said.

The scare aboard United 923 came just a week after London authorities said they foiled a terror plot to blow up trans-Atlantic flights. As many as 17 people have been arrested in Pakistan in connection with the London terror plot, but federal officials have said they have no indications that Mayo had any links to terrorism.

The count against Mayo carries a maximum 20-year prison sentence and a $250,000 fine.

Mayo's passport indicates she left Pakistan and entered the United Kingdom on Tuesday, according to the affidavit by FBI Special Agent Daniel Choldin filed in U.S. District Court in Boston.

In the affidavit, Choldin says flight attendants noticed Mayo about 90 minutes into the flight because she was pushing against the aircraft bulkhead. When the attendant told her to return to her seat, Mayo said she wanted to speak to an air marshal and made statements about knowing that people wanted to see what was in her bag.

FBI spokeswoman Gail Marcinkiewicz confirmed Thursday that authorities found a screwdriver and an unspecified number of cigarette lighters in her bag, items that are banned under new security regulations. Marcinkiewicz also confirmed that matches were found in Mayo's bag.

She also had a bottle of water, which did not appear to be supplied by the flight crew. It wasn't clear how the items made it through airport security, which has been significantly tightened since the terror plot arrests.

Later during the flight, according to the affidavit, Mayo asked a flight attendant: "Is this a training flight for United Flight 93?" The flight attendant didn't know if she made a mistake because the flight was actually Flight 923, or if she was referring to Flight 93, the hijacked plane that crashed in Pennsylvania on Sept. 11.

She was "biting her fingers, rubbing her feet and in a constant state of movement. She appeared very agitated," the affidavit said.

She also wrote in a note and said to flight attendants that she had been in a country illegally, and later said she had photographs of Pakistan.

"She stated that the photographs would be awful, and she indicated that they related to the people that she had been with in the mountains of Pakistan," the affidavit said.

Flight attendants summoned the captain, who spoke to Mayo. During the conversation, she made reference to there being "six steps to building some unspecified thing."

"She made reference to being with people associated with two words. She stated that she could not say what the two words were because the last time that she had said the two words she had been kicked off of a flight in the United Arab Emirates," according to the affidavit.

The captain and purser both believed that she was referring to al-Qaida, Choldin wrote.

About 35 minutes later, when she tried to go to the bathroom, the flight attendants directed her to a different lavatory. Instead, she pulled down her pants and urinated on the floor, Choldin wrote in the affidavit, which was based on his interviews and those of other federal officials.

At that point, the captain ordered her restrained. Two male passengers helped a flight attendant tackle Mayo and restrain her in plastic cuffs.

The flight, with 182 passengers, landed safely at Logan Airport with the escort of two F-15 fighter jets.
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Old August 17, 2006, 03:29 PM   #14
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Different stories??

It appears by reading the above news bulletins that they really don't get together on their facts!!!
Gotta love the government that protects it's people and tells the truth when informing the public!!!!!
So it looks like all they know for sure it that it was a female???


People told me FBI stands for fumbling bunch of idiots!!
What does TSA stand for? terrible security application?
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Old August 18, 2006, 09:11 AM   #15
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What does TSA a stand for? Terrible security application?
Tyrannical Search Apes?

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Old August 18, 2006, 09:19 AM   #16
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Old August 18, 2006, 09:26 AM   #17
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Right. See "Felony Frowning"

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Old August 18, 2006, 09:46 AM   #18
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Doubletaptap...

It's SNAKES, DRUGS, AND ROCK N' ROLL! The biggest terror threat is SNAKES ON A PLANE!!!

http://jehovahswitnessonline.com/ima...on_a_plane.jpg
http://threeminds.organic.com/images...ndplanes_1.jpg

Oh by the way, is it really necssary to use a shotgun to take out snakes on a plane? Wouldn't it make more sense to lower cabin pressure and then drop the temperature since snakes are cold blooeded??


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