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Old May 21, 2000, 05:34 PM   #1
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is there such thing as atrue .308 case necked to .25 cal.if so what is it called and does anyone have any data on it.
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Old May 22, 2000, 01:25 AM   #2
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Well, essentially, it would be pretty much identical to the .250 Savage. Probably isn't much point to necking the .308 down to .25 as the .250 Savage has been there for a long time...
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Old May 22, 2000, 09:04 AM   #3
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It's been done, and it's called the .25 Souper.
 
Old May 22, 2000, 08:02 PM   #4
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does anyone have data or die info for the ,25 souper.its execaly what i have been looking for.
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Old May 23, 2000, 08:27 AM   #5
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where can i get dies.a search of the web showed no results.? a internet freind sent me the ackley infor for it.60 gr bullets at 4000fps.wow.100 gr at 3150.wowowowowowo.why didnt this cartidge ever take over.remingtom should market this round as the 25 rem.
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Old May 23, 2000, 09:02 AM   #6
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So with the Ackley shoulder, you've essentially got a shortened .25-'06?

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Old May 24, 2000, 06:46 PM   #7
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Old May 25, 2000, 01:21 PM   #8
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anyone had any results loading this cartridge?
i ordered the reamers today they were$225.
the most expensive to date.would anyone care to send me a barrel.i ream yours for $85.00.this will help ofset the cost of the reamer.
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Old May 25, 2000, 02:05 PM   #9
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Art. The .25 Souper is either the .308 Win.necked down to .25 caliber, or the .243 necked up, your choice with no other change. There is no Ackley shoulder.
I would estimate that is would be somewhere between the .257 Roberts and 25-06 in potential.
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Old May 25, 2000, 02:09 PM   #10
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Gunmart. Huntington's has the dies you are looking for in their latest catalog. Die group is "G". Part # 56145. They are special order dies. The full length set is $86.85 plus S&H. Dies are made by RCBS.
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Old May 27, 2000, 10:16 PM   #11
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hey just got in my dies.they were c-h tool and die mt vernon oh.they were in stock and cost about $60. they were in my hands in two days.they have listings for many many obscure dies.
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Old May 27, 2000, 10:18 PM   #12
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ps c-h tool and dies phone # if anyone interested is 6143977214.and fax #6143976600
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Old May 28, 2000, 12:23 AM   #13
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Ballistically, this should come out about where the Ackley "Improved" Savage 250-3000 did. 'About a tenth of an inch difference in most of the length dimensions of the case between the .308 and the Savage .250, with the .250 being the shorter of the two.

I thought that's what you started out to do, Gunmart.

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Old May 28, 2000, 06:52 PM   #14
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The 25 Souper load info can be found in the A-Square manual.
87grain bullet
H-4895 39.0 to 43.0
IMR-3031 38.0 to 42.0
RL-15 41.0 to 44.0

117grain bullet
IMR-4064 36.0 to 38.0
RL-15 38.0 to 40.0
RL-19 45.0 to 48.0

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Old May 28, 2000, 08:40 PM   #15
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i kinda had my heart set on the 100 gr nosler.any info from someone on that would be great.?
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Old May 28, 2000, 08:50 PM   #16
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Loading data can be found in P.O. Ackley's Hanbook.If you dont have one here are some starting loads for the 100 gr.44gr of Imr 4350 to 3035fps. 49 gr of 4831 to 3020 fps. 41 gr of 4320 to 3150fps.These are all pretty old starting loads and there are a lot of powders that are close to these that would work better.By the way there is a "improved" version called the 257. Durham Jet. Pretty good ballistics about a 150-200fps better than the 25 Souper.
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Old May 29, 2000, 04:10 PM   #17
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does the duram jet work off the .308 case?
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