Glock full auto switch? - Page 2

444 · May 5, 2006, 01:23 AM

First of all, it isn't his responsibility to find out if you can legally buy it. The responsibility is yours.
You can order a 11" AR15 upper right now from any number of places (as but one example). They don't care. They arn't doing anything illegal. If you buy one and can't legally own it, that's your problem. I have eleven tax stamps and have purchased a lot of stuff along these lines. ONE TIME I was asked to see the tax stamp before Hans Vang would sell me a 14" shotgun barrel. That is the one single time I ever have been asked if I could legally own the item I was purchasing. Again, that is my problem not theirs.

If a home invader was going to try to shoot me with a stolen Glock, I would hope they had one of these. The chances of them hitting me would be nil and in a second they would be out of ammo. Have you ever shot much full auto ? I have never fired a full auto handgun although two people I know own full auto S&W 9mm handguns. A good friend of mine fired one of them. I asked him if he thought it was possible to keep two shots on an IDPA silhouette target at 5 yards ? He said no. This guy that said no is an experienced shooter. He owns three machine guns and competes in our local machine gun matches. He has fired many, many different machine guns. If you doesn't think he can put two shots (on full auto) on a silhouette at 5 yards, imagine a guy with no shooting experience shooting a stolen gun under stress in the dark ?

Csspecs · May 5, 2006, 01:34 AM

So I "could" walk down the street in the worst area of town with a machine gun yelling "machine gun for sale" and I am not doing anything wrong?
I can guess that openly selling to whoever has cash in their hand in that area will end up with a drive by within a week or two with it.

Shoelace guy should have said "It is their responsibility to be able to legaly buy it and know all the laws" Gee didn't work for him.

444 · May 5, 2006, 01:36 AM

Ok, suit yourself.

Doggieman · May 5, 2006, 02:04 AM

well if css wants to get involved for thrills then that's his business. I wouldn't go anywhere near it myself. I figure I have enough worries in my life.

Csspecs · May 5, 2006, 02:12 AM

NAh I aint going to play hot potato with the ATF and the machine gun maker. Just does not sound that fun anymore.

deadin · May 5, 2006, 09:46 AM

[Paranoid Conspiracy Theory switch set to ON.]

CSS,
Thanks for the posting of the link to this. Even though it is overseas, I sure that by my clicking on it to see what you were talking about, I'm now on some BATFE "watch list".

[PCT switch set to OFF. Resume normal operation]

Dean

Csspecs · May 6, 2006, 06:50 PM

I did not post the link to the item. Just to the ATF link about it (right click on it and save target as)

miscusi · May 7, 2006, 01:08 AM

there was a link to a video of this some dude at a range with a full auto glock. he was able to shoot the whole mag in a 2 feet group single handed. pretty sure he was a well trained individual though....

deadin · May 7, 2006, 01:30 AM

CSS,
Please accept my profoundest apology. It wasn't you that posted the offending link. It was the originator of the thread. (That's what I get for sitting up late at night, drinking wine and responding to posts.

)

You wouldn't believe the number of typo's I need to correct.

Dean

waterhouse · May 9, 2006, 11:55 PM

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So I "could" walk down the street in the worst area of town with a machine gun yelling "machine gun for sale" and I am not doing anything wrong?

Well, you would be breaking the law, if you consider that doing something wrong. Because you live in the United States.

I think what 444 is trying to say is, in some places in the world you probably could go walking down the street and selling machine guns and it would be perfectly fine. Just like people in Cali can't buy an AR-15 on the street, but I can buy one right out of the paper in a face to face transaction here in Austin. Some places are freer markets than others.

There is no reason to even consider notifying the ATF about this part, because the part is legal for lots of people, just not us regular citizens of the U.S.

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If he does not it is just a matter of time before the wrong people (IE your local home invaders) find out about this new add on for their stolen glocks.

You realize this is the exact same [il]logic that the Brady campaign uses when talking about guns, right? "We need more background checks and longer waiting periods, or heck, let's just get rid of all the guns, because sooner or later the wrong people will get their hands on them and invade our homes. It's for the children!"

444 · May 20, 2006, 06:31 PM

Something that has always amused me about the internet:
People assume that they have all the answers.
People assume that just because something is illegal for them to do, that it MUST be illegal for anyone else also.
People assume that the internet (and the world) centers around the United States. If you can't do it in the US, then you can't do it anywhere.
Then there is a recent disturbing trend I have seen lately on the gun boards. People who want to be snitches to the ATF and want the approval of the group for doing so. And they know they are doing the right thing because they have all the answers (see #1 above). There couldn't be any aspect of firearms law that they don't know and they are so sure they are always right that they willing to ruin someone else's life to prove it.
I wonder what these guys are doing ? http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=14&t=281339 let's turn them in also. Wow !!! Full auto and a shoulder stock. Maybe you will get a certificate suitable for framing if you rat out these guys. ATF might make you a junior agent and give you a shiny sticker-badge. And, in the process, you are doing the world a favor. It's for the children.

444 · May 20, 2006, 06:47 PM

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FirstFreedom · May 21, 2006, 01:29 PM

444, Hear, hear! +1

OneInTheChamber · May 22, 2006, 05:56 PM

I wouldn't touch the ten foot pole touching that thing with another 10 foot pole.

That is a ticket to trouble.

DR9983M4 · June 2, 2006, 10:06 PM

Does anyone else find it funny that the page is in english AND Spanish. Makes me think cartels are frequent customers, and we know how much they care about ATF rules lol

May 5, 2006, 01:23 AM	#26
444 Senior Member Join Date: November 20, 2000 Location: Ohio Posts: 3,724	First of all, it isn't his responsibility to find out if you can legally buy it. The responsibility is yours. You can order a 11" AR15 upper right now from any number of places (as but one example). They don't care. They arn't doing anything illegal. If you buy one and can't legally own it, that's your problem. I have eleven tax stamps and have purchased a lot of stuff along these lines. ONE TIME I was asked to see the tax stamp before Hans Vang would sell me a 14" shotgun barrel. That is the one single time I ever have been asked if I could legally own the item I was purchasing. Again, that is my problem not theirs. If a home invader was going to try to shoot me with a stolen Glock, I would hope they had one of these. The chances of them hitting me would be nil and in a second they would be out of ammo. Have you ever shot much full auto ? I have never fired a full auto handgun although two people I know own full auto S&W 9mm handguns. A good friend of mine fired one of them. I asked him if he thought it was possible to keep two shots on an IDPA silhouette target at 5 yards ? He said no. This guy that said no is an experienced shooter. He owns three machine guns and competes in our local machine gun matches. He has fired many, many different machine guns. If you doesn't think he can put two shots (on full auto) on a silhouette at 5 yards, imagine a guy with no shooting experience shooting a stolen gun under stress in the dark ? __________________ You know the rest. In the books you have read How the British Regulars fired and fled, How the farmers gave them ball for ball, From behind each fence and farmyard wall, Chasing the redcoats down the lane, Then crossing the fields to emerge again Under the trees at the turn of the road, And only pausing to fire and load.

May 5, 2006, 01:36 AM	#28
444 Senior Member Join Date: November 20, 2000 Location: Ohio Posts: 3,724	Ok, suit yourself. __________________ You know the rest. In the books you have read How the British Regulars fired and fled, How the farmers gave them ball for ball, From behind each fence and farmyard wall, Chasing the redcoats down the lane, Then crossing the fields to emerge again Under the trees at the turn of the road, And only pausing to fire and load.

May 20, 2006, 06:31 PM	#36
444 Senior Member Join Date: November 20, 2000 Location: Ohio Posts: 3,724	Something that has always amused me about the internet: People assume that they have all the answers. People assume that just because something is illegal for them to do, that it MUST be illegal for anyone else also. People assume that the internet (and the world) centers around the United States. If you can't do it in the US, then you can't do it anywhere. Then there is a recent disturbing trend I have seen lately on the gun boards. People who want to be snitches to the ATF and want the approval of the group for doing so. And they know they are doing the right thing because they have all the answers (see #1 above). There couldn't be any aspect of firearms law that they don't know and they are so sure they are always right that they willing to ruin someone else's life to prove it. I wonder what these guys are doing ? http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=14&t=281339 let's turn them in also. Wow !!! Full auto and a shoulder stock. Maybe you will get a certificate suitable for framing if you rat out these guys. ATF might make you a junior agent and give you a shiny sticker-badge. And, in the process, you are doing the world a favor. It's for the children. __________________ You know the rest. In the books you have read How the British Regulars fired and fled, How the farmers gave them ball for ball, From behind each fence and farmyard wall, Chasing the redcoats down the lane, Then crossing the fields to emerge again Under the trees at the turn of the road, And only pausing to fire and load.

May 20, 2006, 06:47 PM	#37
444 Senior Member Join Date: November 20, 2000 Location: Ohio Posts: 3,724	*** __________________ You know the rest. In the books you have read How the British Regulars fired and fled, How the farmers gave them ball for ball, From behind each fence and farmyard wall, Chasing the redcoats down the lane, Then crossing the fields to emerge again Under the trees at the turn of the road, And only pausing to fire and load.

May 22, 2006, 05:56 PM	#39
OneInTheChamber Senior Member Join Date: December 12, 2005 Posts: 789	I wouldn't touch the ten foot pole touching that thing with another 10 foot pole. That is a ticket to trouble. __________________ Insert witty, comical, and/or significant quote here.

May 5, 2006, 01:34 AM	#27
Csspecs Senior Member Join Date: December 21, 2005 Posts: 1,108	So I "could" walk down the street in the worst area of town with a machine gun yelling "machine gun for sale" and I am not doing anything wrong? I can guess that openly selling to whoever has cash in their hand in that area will end up with a drive by within a week or two with it. Shoelace guy should have said "It is their responsibility to be able to legaly buy it and know all the laws" Gee didn't work for him.

May 5, 2006, 02:04 AM	#29
Doggieman Senior Member Join Date: April 19, 2006 Location: San Diego, Calif. Posts: 717	well if css wants to get involved for thrills then that's his business. I wouldn't go anywhere near it myself. I figure I have enough worries in my life.

May 5, 2006, 02:12 AM	#30
Csspecs Senior Member Join Date: December 21, 2005 Posts: 1,108	NAh I aint going to play hot potato with the ATF and the machine gun maker. Just does not sound that fun anymore.

May 5, 2006, 09:46 AM	#31
deadin Junior member Join Date: September 6, 2005 Location: Ocean Shores, WA Posts: 1,052	[Paranoid Conspiracy Theory switch set to ON.] CSS, Thanks for the posting of the link to this. Even though it is overseas, I sure that by my clicking on it to see what you were talking about, I'm now on some BATFE "watch list". [PCT switch set to OFF. Resume normal operation] Dean

May 6, 2006, 06:50 PM	#32
Csspecs Senior Member Join Date: December 21, 2005 Posts: 1,108	I did not post the link to the item. Just to the ATF link about it (right click on it and save target as)

May 7, 2006, 01:08 AM	#33
miscusi Junior member Join Date: April 3, 2006 Location: New York City Posts: 217	there was a link to a video of this some dude at a range with a full auto glock. he was able to shoot the whole mag in a 2 feet group single handed. pretty sure he was a well trained individual though....

May 7, 2006, 01:30 AM	#34
deadin Junior member Join Date: September 6, 2005 Location: Ocean Shores, WA Posts: 1,052	CSS, Please accept my profoundest apology. It wasn't you that posted the offending link. It was the originator of the thread. (That's what I get for sitting up late at night, drinking wine and responding to posts. ) You wouldn't believe the number of typo's I need to correct. Dean

May 21, 2006, 01:29 PM	#38
FirstFreedom Junior member Join Date: May 31, 2004 Location: The Toll Road State, U.S.A. Posts: 12,452	444, Hear, hear! +1

June 2, 2006, 10:06 PM	#40
DR9983M4 Member Join Date: June 2, 2006 Posts: 30	Does anyone else find it funny that the page is in english AND Spanish. Makes me think cartels are frequent customers, and we know how much they care about ATF rules lol __________________ DR9983M4 Soon to be Medical Student and USMC Officer Bushmaster AR15A3 5.56 NATO Romanian PSL 7.62x54R PTR91A1 7.62 NATO Kimber BPTen II .45 ACP M48 Mauser 7.92x57mm Savage 111 .300 Win Mag Kel-tec P11 9mm Soon... PS90...