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Old May 2, 2006, 05:18 AM   #1
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Glock full auto switch?

Forgive me if this has been posted before, TFL's "search" feature is giving me a "fatal error" when I try to use it.

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http://www.geocities.com/shokansunrise

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Old May 2, 2006, 05:44 AM   #2
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first I've heard of it gotta be good cause it's German made..and the German word for Machine is Machine
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Old May 2, 2006, 06:33 AM   #3
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Looks very intersting, I wonder if it really works. Although if it does work you'd have to register the mechanism as an NFA item. (pretty cheap for a FA is you ask me)
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Old May 2, 2006, 06:44 AM   #4
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It's not legal in the states. At least not for personal use. It would have to be registered as a Post '86, which would make it illegal for private ownership. I have seen (not in person, on the internet) another switch similar to this one, but it used a sliding bar rather than a rotating knob. I believe it was manufactured in the US as a LE only item. I doubt the company is still around though. I can't imagine that they had many sells, because a 1200 rpm pistol strikes me as really fun but about tactically useless.
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Old May 2, 2006, 07:08 AM   #5
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It's illegal as dammit in the US.

If this guy isn't a BATFE sting, I'll be shocked.
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Old May 2, 2006, 07:52 AM   #6
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During an arrest about a year or so ago, we found something similar to that item on a Glock 17 in the arrestee's car. The gun was taken incident to arrest, and BATF was notified. They were so interested that they sent someone to get it the next day. They looked at it, gave us a receipt for it, and left.

Haven't seen the gun or heard back from BATF since.
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Old May 2, 2006, 08:17 AM   #7
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"It's almost handmade"

At least it's in the same price range as that guy in Brazil.. Too bad it's illegal for us ordinary people.
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Old May 2, 2006, 02:06 PM   #8
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This makes me want to become a class 3 Manufacurer even more.......
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Old May 3, 2006, 06:13 AM   #9
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I dont see how it can work. What does it do, hold the firing pin until the slide is forward in battery or what? I think sting too.

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Old May 3, 2006, 07:30 PM   #10
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they interest me too i wander how they can work el wel id much rether have a semi sig sour then full auto glock
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Old May 4, 2006, 01:25 AM   #11
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I posted a link for a full auto glock video. It looked to have that on it.. I'll try and find it. It might not be that exact one, but someone commented about this very thing one time. http://glocksrfun.zippyvideos.com/gallery.z
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Old May 4, 2006, 01:55 AM   #12
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would that thing only become illegal if it were actually installed on the gun or is its mere importation/ownership as a part prohibited?
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Old May 4, 2006, 08:01 AM   #13
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Ownership of it and a Glock (whether installed or not) should do it.

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Old May 4, 2006, 12:10 PM   #14
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Glock full auto Switch

Your friendly and compassionate BATFE has ruled (not by the legislative branch of Government) that ownership/possession of a firearm and a device to make it fire full automatic even if not installed is the same as it being capable of full auto fire. In violation of the Gun Control Act of 1934.

Be that as it may, with the proper paperwork and the $200 tax stamp, one can posess an automatic weapon, if he/she can afford the astronomical price of purchase.
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Old May 4, 2006, 01:31 PM   #15
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I'm not sure of the details, but I believe said automatic weapon also has to have been made prior to 1984 (or something like that?) Someone here will know the details.

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Old May 4, 2006, 02:16 PM   #16
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so since I don't own a glock I could buy it?

My dad owns a glock -- if I took the part over to his house would it then become illegal?
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Old May 4, 2006, 03:29 PM   #17
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This part on its own is a machinegun. It might as well be the whole rifle.

http://www.atf.treas.gov/firearms/GlockConvSw.pdf

Thats what the ATF says.
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Old May 4, 2006, 04:18 PM   #18
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Quote:
Thats what the ATF says.
And that says it all.!!

End of thread?

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Old May 4, 2006, 04:32 PM   #19
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I am thinking of sending the link to the ATF, as much as I hate the NFA laws they are still the law. Add to that the fact that I am ****** that I can't legaly buy one.
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Old May 4, 2006, 09:49 PM   #20
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I'd say stay out of it man.

But that very item is certainly pictured in the ATF publication with the ominous warning: "We are aware that these items are available on the internet."
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Old May 4, 2006, 10:12 PM   #21
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I am not going to say a thing. I don't want my name on ANY lists that they may have, its to easy for them to mix up the names. I don't feel like having the ninjas busting my doors down at 3 AM because I tryed to help them.
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Old May 4, 2006, 10:53 PM   #22
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Just for the heck of it (I know I am stirring the hornet's nest), why would you have any desire at all to "send the link to the ATF" ?
What would that accomplish that you think is desireable ?
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Old May 4, 2006, 11:29 PM   #23
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I saw the error of my ways and did not.

Also the item is not legal in the US yet it is on a US based server, so it can be removed and thus no one thinks they can just order one. I would not have known that this was illegal a year ago, I thought that you could still build autos just for yourself up till about six months ago (I was starting to plan on building one before I found out).

So I don't want someone to just think they can buy this item and install it. It is illegal and being almost openly sold to people in the states.
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Old May 4, 2006, 11:42 PM   #24
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So you were doing it for the children ? Saving us from ourselves ?

"It is illegal and being almost openly sold to people in the states."
Wrong. It isn't illegal. Just because you can't buy it doesn't make it illegal.

Something that a lot of people don't seem to realize is that just because you and I can't buy one doesn't mean that nobody can buy one. Law enforcement agencies might want one. An NFA dealer might want to have one as a dealer sample. Point being, should someone be forbidden from advertising something just because you can't buy one ? If someone advertises an AR15 should they stop because people in kalifornia can't buy it ? What about machine guns ? There are boards that do nothing but advertise machine guns: I can buy one (and have) but others can't. Is that a reason to make them take their board off the net ?
I have seen other similar posts where someone questions how someone can advertise machine gun parts.
I guess it is because a lot of people legally own machine guns and want to buy parts for them. Duh. Just because this person didn't own a machine gun, he couldn't imagine how the parts could be offered for sale.
It's a great big world out there.
Most of us don't know all the ins and outs of everything.
Just something to consider before you decide to narc someone out to the feds.

Sorry, I am not really a bad guy. Some gun owners feel that the ATF is not our friend. We get kind of upset when other gunowners run to them for every little issue that bothers them. Especially when they are ratting out someone for something that very well might be perfectly legal.
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Old May 5, 2006, 12:06 AM   #25
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This is not aimed at people that can buy them. If it was it would say so.

I am sure I "could" (I would never) order one and the guy would never ask a question. If he does not it is just a matter of time before the wrong people (IE your local home invaders) find out about this new add on for their stolen glocks.

I know that some people can buy these, but the sales are watched VERY closely. This does not seem to be the case here, he seems to be willing to sell to anyone without doing any checks at all (just from his site).

I was thinking of Emailing him who can buy them just to keep him from selliing to the wrong people.
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