H414 in 30-30?

CHAINSAW · September 8, 1999, 11:12 PM

Has anyone used Hodgdon 414 in 30-30 Trapper carbine or similiar rifle? I got a super deal on a large quantity, and I shoot a lot of 30-30(usually use W748)

YOUR BROTHER IN ARMS---------CHAINSAW

swifter... · September 8, 1999, 11:26 PM

Chainsaw,
I'd think that was way too slow, 'less you're into defensive fireballs to accompany the bullet

. It MAY work OK with 170 gr bullets, but it sure wouldn't be my first choice for .30-30!
Good luck.

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Contender · September 9, 1999, 04:15 PM

Yes that seems a little slow for the 30-30 Mr. Homelite

You may want to consider a medium burner like; H335,H4895,IMR4895,IMR3031,W748,etc.

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**Mal H** · September 9, 1999, 04:41 PM

Well I guess I'm on the other side of the fence on this one. H414 seems like it would be a good 30-30 powder, not my first choice by a long shot, but not my last either. I would much prefer H/I 4895 to H414. It is slow, similar to 4350, but it's still good for 30-30. Also, I would only use it with heavier bullets, 150 gr. at a minimum.

The key point is that Mr. Poulan got a boat load at a good price. I say go ahead and give it a try. However, be aware that in the short barrel of the Trapper you might get arrested for spot-lighting game if you go target shooting after dusk.

CHAINSAW · September 9, 1999, 07:14 PM

I use the 414 in my 30-40 Krag, 308, and load for 30-06 with it also. I know that it is slow burning, but at $4 a lb, I would like to give it a try. You think that the muzzle flash would leave me a Ray Charles double, maybe I should reconsider.

YOUR BROTHER IN ARMS Mr. Jonsred

**Mal H** · September 9, 1999, 07:36 PM

Remington Stihl - (I wonder how long we can run this word game with your alias into the ground?

)

I wouldn't reconsider for a second. Load up 10 or so and blast away. You'll know immediately if you need sunglasses to fire it, and you won't have to pull hundreds of rounds if it doen't work out. Besides, a big fireball has a certain coolness factor that the kids love to watch!

flatlander · September 10, 1999, 12:40 AM

I've had some nice groups with pretty fair velocity with H414 and cast bullets in the 175gr. range, but this was in an old original '94 with 26" barrel. I would want to use something a little faster for your trapper. Most ball powders have a very long shelf life, so if it doesn't work out in your 30-30, hang on to it until you aquire a rifle more suited to this burning rate. I've used it in my 243's and 280 Rem. with excellent results.

Contender · September 10, 1999, 02:52 AM

Mr. Two C.Ycle,

Being that you are getting it for that price,heck, I'd go for it and try it out.

Just be advised "Wen" you try it,be ready for a "Husky" muzzle flash and a healthy "Echo".(But that sounds like fun anyway)

ooh,that was bad.

Er, also I would steer clear of any compressed loadings.

Contender · September 10, 1999, 02:54 AM

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Contender · September 10, 1999, 02:54 AM

oops again

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Paul B. · September 11, 1999, 06:41 PM

The Hornady reloading manual burning rate chart shows H-414 to be a tad slower than W-760. Winchester data shows 760 to be suitable in the 30-30 Win. My Hodgden's manuals give no data for H-414 in the 30-30
I have heard, or read someplace, that H-414 and W-760 were really the same powders, just different lots. I would think that you could carefully start with 760 data and slowly work up. If I had some 414, I'd try it just to see if that was correct.
I've never used 760 in the 30-30, much preferring W-748.
I just looked in the Speer Manual #13. For the 170 Gr. bullet in 30-30, the max loads for H-414 and W-760 are the same. 35.0 gr. Velocity for H-414, 1926 fps max, and W-760, 1946 fps max. That was for a 20 inch carbine. Wonder what that would do in a 26 inch barreled rifle I have.????????
BTW. Those loads duplicate the original 1895 loading of the 30-30.
Hope that helps.
Paul B.

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CHAINSAW · September 11, 1999, 07:58 PM

Thank you all for replying.
I use 414 for my 308, 30-40 Krag, and 30-06 so it won't be laid to waste. I bought 16 lbs at a local dealer that was going to stock only 1 pounders from now on. It was only $4 a lb.
At this rate I will use it for everything I can. I use w748 for 30-30 now, but this will give me and the little woman a quite a few pracice rounds, if it works.

YOUR BROTHER IN ARMS---------CHAINSAW

September 8, 1999, 11:12 PM	#1
CHAINSAW Senior Member Join Date: August 29, 1999 Posts: 201	Has anyone used Hodgdon 414 in 30-30 Trapper carbine or similiar rifle? I got a super deal on a large quantity, and I shoot a lot of 30-30(usually use W748) YOUR BROTHER IN ARMS---------CHAINSAW

September 8, 1999, 11:26 PM	#2
swifter... Senior Member Join Date: March 16, 1999 Location: So. CA Mountains Posts: 540	Chainsaw, I'd think that was way too slow, 'less you're into defensive fireballs to accompany the bullet . It MAY work OK with 170 gr bullets, but it sure wouldn't be my first choice for .30-30! Good luck. ------------------ The Bill of Rights, and the Golden Rule are enough for civilized behavior. The rest is window dressing. Shoot carefully, swifter...

September 9, 1999, 04:15 PM	#3
Contender Senior Member Join Date: December 10, 1998 Location: NY Posts: 680	Yes that seems a little slow for the 30-30 Mr. Homelite You may want to consider a medium burner like; H335,H4895,IMR4895,IMR3031,W748,etc. ------------------ Without the 2nd Amendment,the Declaration of Independence is an old post card and the entire Constitution is just notes from a bridge club meeting.

September 9, 1999, 04:41 PM	#4
Mal H Staff Join Date: March 20, 1999 Location: Somewhere in the woods of Northern VA Posts: 14,083	Well I guess I'm on the other side of the fence on this one. H414 seems like it would be a good 30-30 powder, not my first choice by a long shot, but not my last either. I would much prefer H/I 4895 to H414. It is slow, similar to 4350, but it's still good for 30-30. Also, I would only use it with heavier bullets, 150 gr. at a minimum. The key point is that Mr. Poulan got a boat load at a good price. I say go ahead and give it a try. However, be aware that in the short barrel of the Trapper you might get arrested for spot-lighting game if you go target shooting after dusk.

September 9, 1999, 07:14 PM	#5
CHAINSAW Senior Member Join Date: August 29, 1999 Posts: 201	I use the 414 in my 30-40 Krag, 308, and load for 30-06 with it also. I know that it is slow burning, but at $4 a lb, I would like to give it a try. You think that the muzzle flash would leave me a Ray Charles double, maybe I should reconsider. YOUR BROTHER IN ARMS Mr. Jonsred

September 9, 1999, 07:36 PM	#6
Mal H Staff Join Date: March 20, 1999 Location: Somewhere in the woods of Northern VA Posts: 14,083	Remington Stihl - (I wonder how long we can run this word game with your alias into the ground? ) I wouldn't reconsider for a second. Load up 10 or so and blast away. You'll know immediately if you need sunglasses to fire it, and you won't have to pull hundreds of rounds if it doen't work out. Besides, a big fireball has a certain coolness factor that the kids love to watch!

September 10, 1999, 12:40 AM	#7
flatlander Senior Member Join Date: June 17, 1999 Posts: 120	I've had some nice groups with pretty fair velocity with H414 and cast bullets in the 175gr. range, but this was in an old original '94 with 26" barrel. I would want to use something a little faster for your trapper. Most ball powders have a very long shelf life, so if it doesn't work out in your 30-30, hang on to it until you aquire a rifle more suited to this burning rate. I've used it in my 243's and 280 Rem. with excellent results.

September 10, 1999, 02:52 AM	#8
Contender Senior Member Join Date: December 10, 1998 Location: NY Posts: 680	Mr. Two C.Ycle, Being that you are getting it for that price,heck, I'd go for it and try it out. Just be advised "Wen" you try it,be ready for a "Husky" muzzle flash and a healthy "Echo".(But that sounds like fun anyway) ooh,that was bad. Er, also I would steer clear of any compressed loadings.

September 10, 1999, 02:54 AM	#9
Contender Senior Member Join Date: December 10, 1998 Location: NY Posts: 680	oops [This message has been edited by Contender (edited September 10, 1999).]

September 11, 1999, 06:41 PM	#11
Paul B. Senior Member Join Date: March 28, 1999 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 2,242	The Hornady reloading manual burning rate chart shows H-414 to be a tad slower than W-760. Winchester data shows 760 to be suitable in the 30-30 Win. My Hodgden's manuals give no data for H-414 in the 30-30 I have heard, or read someplace, that H-414 and W-760 were really the same powders, just different lots. I would think that you could carefully start with 760 data and slowly work up. If I had some 414, I'd try it just to see if that was correct. I've never used 760 in the 30-30, much preferring W-748. I just looked in the Speer Manual #13. For the 170 Gr. bullet in 30-30, the max loads for H-414 and W-760 are the same. 35.0 gr. Velocity for H-414, 1926 fps max, and W-760, 1946 fps max. That was for a 20 inch carbine. Wonder what that would do in a 26 inch barreled rifle I have.???????? BTW. Those loads duplicate the original 1895 loading of the 30-30. Hope that helps. Paul B. [This message has been edited by Paul B. (edited September 11, 1999).]

September 11, 1999, 07:58 PM	#12
CHAINSAW Senior Member Join Date: August 29, 1999 Posts: 201	Thank you all for replying. I use 414 for my 308, 30-40 Krag, and 30-06 so it won't be laid to waste. I bought 16 lbs at a local dealer that was going to stock only 1 pounders from now on. It was only $4 a lb. At this rate I will use it for everything I can. I use w748 for 30-30 now, but this will give me and the little woman a quite a few pracice rounds, if it works. YOUR BROTHER IN ARMS---------CHAINSAW