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Old January 19, 2016, 10:31 PM   #1
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Is This Really A COLT Walker?

Last weekend went to the Indy 1500 gun show, I try to get up there at least once a year. Last time there I met a seasoned black powder gun dealer out of Hodgenville, Kentucky. I dreamed about that Colt display he had at his booth for months before finally getting back, hoping all along he would still have that (a) new Walker. I took along a Armi import Walker and a Ruger Old Army (less factory wood) in hopes of making a deal.

Mr. Chada had a Walker in stock and I listened carefully as he told me the story, which went like this. New in the box (), 2nd generation. As he explained there had been three releases of this model by Colt over the years; the original 1st generation of course, then many years later another release with serial numbers picking up where 1st Generation left off, then a third generation released years after that. I didn’t ask about serial numbers, how many made each generation and other details - or just didn’t hear him. Just new I wanted the oldest shooter I could find and the only other offerings would have been a Dragoon. FYI, the asking price was $850.00

We kicked and pulled a bit, had a good time visiting- and he took my trades and a couple hundred cash. I left with the gun and the appropriate Texas style (designed) flask made to go with that gun. Couldn’t wait to get home, put on my glasses (the VA says I don’t need), tear it down and go over it with a silicone rag.

So I’m posting some pics to show off my new toy and invite input, opinions as to authenticity, condition etc.

P.S. I have several more pics - the actual gun instead of the box but do not see how to post more than 3 jpgs to the posting, please advise...
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Old January 19, 2016, 10:39 PM   #2
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Another pic of the Walker.
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Old January 19, 2016, 10:43 PM   #3
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I don't see a "Colt's Patent" on the frame. Colt cap and ball expert, Fingers McGee will be along shortly, I'm sure.
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Old January 19, 2016, 10:47 PM   #4
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It’s on the top strap/rib or on cylinder. I have more pics, just can’t seem to post more than three jpgs. Trying to attach with this comment but can not, checking file size.

*Colt’s patient appears on cylinder but not on frame.
** Top of BBL says “ADDRESS. SAM L COLT NEW-YORK"
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Old January 19, 2016, 11:10 PM   #5
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Fingers will know. 850 seems really cheap for a 2nd gen Walker.
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Old January 19, 2016, 11:15 PM   #6
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What I though, but is used. Hoping that will prove out to be the reason, and still could be a bargain - or not.

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Old January 19, 2016, 11:37 PM   #7
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F series 2nd Generation Walkers were made from 1980-1982. Serial number range was 1200 to 3772. There were also 245 5 digit serial numberd Walkers made during the same period (don't ask me why). Only the 5 digit serial numbered Walkers had Colt's Patent on the left side of the frame. 2nd Gen collectors guide from 2011 lists the Walker value at 100% condition as $950 and 98% at $750 - the 2015 book isn't out yet (AFAIK) so I'm not sure how much things have appreciated. Don't know the condition of the pistols you traded; but, from your pictures, I'd say you didn't do too bad.

Oh, yeah, it's a 2nd Gen. The case is some aftermarket Walker commemorative thing that has no connection to Colt and really isn't worth much. The correct box would be a black & gold box with gold label on the end flap and foam rubber inserts.
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Old January 19, 2016, 11:46 PM   #8
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Thanks Fingers. Wish it had been a little better shape but biggest issue is the trigger screw really buggered up. Numrich had them listed and hope this will be sufficient since not able to get original screw from Colt apparently. It is a nice piece and I’m gonna enjoy shooting it - if it ever warms up again.

Hope to meet you at the spring shoot. Have enjoyed Friendship since the 70’s.
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Old January 19, 2016, 11:53 PM   #9
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Quote from Fingers McGee
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Only the 5 digit serial numbered Walkers had Colt's Patent on the left side of the frame.
Didn't know that Fingers. You are the man!
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Old January 20, 2016, 10:05 AM   #10
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nice gun smoke pole, I'm going to go shoot my walker today
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Old January 20, 2016, 11:04 AM   #11
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Yeah, that screw is really, truly screwed.
Some can be saved, but not that one.
Enjoy your new treasure.
You will definitely need a pair of suspenders wearing it, though.
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Old January 20, 2016, 01:02 PM   #12
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smoke pole, A Uberti Walker screw from VTI Gunparts or Taylor's should fill the bill nicely. I've found that Uberti parts work well on 2nd Gens.
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Old January 20, 2016, 02:30 PM   #13
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I've found that Uberti parts work well on 2nd Gens.
Gee, I wonder why?
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Old January 20, 2016, 04:20 PM   #14
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Gee, I wonder why?
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Old January 20, 2016, 05:18 PM   #15
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Oohh!
I know!
Ask me!
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Old January 20, 2016, 07:30 PM   #16
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Got the suspenders, and a stiff belt but not the holster - yet. Want to find a HEAVY duty job, western type without the flap.

So how many out there think these were made by Uberti (cylinder still from Ormsby?) for Colt since Eli Whitney is no longer in business?
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Old January 20, 2016, 08:11 PM   #17
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The second gens were made by Colt from castings bought from Uberti. Colt warranted them and will letter them unlike the 3rd gens.
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Old January 21, 2016, 03:56 PM   #18
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Thanks for the info and help from all.

Sounds like maybe it is a REAL Colt and not just another import knock-off. Maybe I’ll see about getting the “letter”, anyone experienced this process?
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Old January 21, 2016, 04:38 PM   #19
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No experience but check this out. http://www.colt.com/Catalog/ArchiveServices.aspx
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Old January 21, 2016, 07:30 PM   #20
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Sounds like maybe it is a REAL Colt and not just another import knock-off
I thought I already answered that in post #7. It is a real 2nd Generation Colt Walker and will letter from Colt's
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Old January 21, 2016, 07:45 PM   #21
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Yes, thank you Fingers McGee, it has been verified by two sources and I’ll use the info provided by Hawg to start the process through Colt.

I would like to ask you a little more about the box though. As you described earlier maybe I would know what I was looking at if I ever did run across one. I may have actually seen one in a gun shop many years ago. It had dividers similar to the box I received with this gun and also contained a powder flask and a round ball mold, not sure if there should be anything else or not. Thought you might be able to advise.

Will no doubt leave this to one of the grandkids and would like to make it complete if reasonably possible.
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Colt charges $75 to letter their reproduction (2nd gen) black powder revolvers. A lot better than the $300 to letter an original from the 19th Century.
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I would like to ask you a little more about the box though. As you described earlier maybe I would know what I was looking at if I ever did run across one. I may have actually seen one in a gun shop many years ago. It had dividers similar to the box I received with this gun and also contained a powder flask and a round ball mold, not sure if there should be anything else or not. Thought you might be able to advise.
By box, I think you mean a presentation case similar to the one your Walker came in; but one that was produced by Colt. Unfortunately, Colt did not make a 2nd Generation presentation case for the Walker, and some of the accessories that were made are so rare as to be cost prohibitive. (flask listed at $150, bullet mold $2,150; and nipple wrench/screwdriver at $200-$250. Your best bet would be to obtain a Signature Series Presentation case & either Sig Series accessories or after market accessories. Signature series stuff shows up on GunBroker from time to time. or you could get an aftermarket case from Dixie Gunworks or EMF


The box I referenced earlier was the original packaging box which was black with gold lettering and foam rubber inserts.
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Old January 22, 2016, 02:22 AM   #24
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Thanks for all the help.
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Old January 22, 2016, 12:24 PM   #25
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Here's a picture of Walker case I got from Dixie years ago. They don't list it on their website now; but they do show up from time to time and Dixie is always changing their product line. You might try calling them.

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